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Right Wing Lunatic Snaps

Started by NotYourMonkey, July 28, 2008, 09:49:37 PM

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Aos

I was just joking, btw, Jeff. Perhaps in bad taste, but the thread had devolved to the point that it didn't matter anymore.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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I like Spike's re-interpretation of the thread title.

But I think it should read as cookies.  Like ginger snaps.
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walkerp

Quote from: Aos;230013Why didn't he just go to The Apple Store then?

lol!

Though you have fallen temporarily under the spell of encount4rdization, Aos, I'm glad to see you haven't entirely lost your touch!
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jeff37923

Quote from: Aos;230036I was just joking, btw, Jeff. Perhaps in bad taste, but the thread had devolved to the point that it didn't matter anymore.

Sorry Aos, my sense of humor has been crippled around this subject. Honestly, my bad.
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Aos

Hey we're all cool and what not; no need to apologize.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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People giving, and gently turning down, apologies?

We have truly lost our way.
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jswa

It's terrible that this sort of thing continues to happen on a daily basis. I feel for the families of the victims. Some folks I knew were at Virginia Tech, so I empathize.

As to this thread: He left a note saying he wanted to kill Liberals. Fucked-up-crazy or not, this makes it political.

Also when I first read the title I was thinking, "Ginger cookies in the shape of Bill O'Reilly? Grrrrross."

Koltar

Quote from: jswa;230069As to this thread: He left a note saying he wanted to kill Liberals. Fucked-up-crazy or not, this makes it political.


No it doesn't.

It makes it yet one more angry guy blaming somebody else for his probllems. If anything it likely had more to do with the fact that his ex-wifw was a one-time member member of that church.


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Quote from: Koltar;230073No it doesn't.

It makes it yet one more angry guy blaming somebody else for his probllems.


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Sanest words I've read for a while. It pisses me off no end when people blame religion or whatever for violence; why it is so hard to admit that these things are only a pretext? Martians could watch the Crusades from Mars not understanding a thing about Jesus Christ or Mohammed and it would still make sense - just as ant or chimpanzee groups fight each other ruthlessly without disagreeing on ideology.
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Quote from: jeff37923;230032I'd like to make a note on this particular Radio Shock Jock, Michael Savage, because as someone who has listened to him and other conservative radio pundits I completely agree that this guy is a hatemongering piece of shit. Michael Savage does try to live the hate speech stereotype that is ill-fittingly applied to all conservative radio. Every credible conservative radio talk show host has publicly denounced this guy in an effort to police their own. He's been dropped from several syndication deals, including being dropped from local Knoxville radio as of a year and a half ago, because of his radical stance on conservative issues.

I tried to think of a terse way to summarize why I was excluding him but couldn't do it justice.  I think you did a fine job there.  Other conservative talk show hosts openly mock him and few conservatives seem to take him seriously.

Quote from: jeff37923;230032But even with this bad apple's wacky bizarro screeds being considered as a contributing factor, its really tough to demonstrate that the responsibility for this crime is at the feet of conservative pundits and not Adkinson himself.

If someone could draw a clear line between what a conservative talk show host said as a clear and serious incitement to violence of the sort found in the material I mentioned earlier (Turner Diaries, radical Islam), then I think it would be fair to hold the conservative talk show host responsible for it.  I'm familiar enough with Hannity, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh that I doubt you'll find anything like that in their books.  I can't speak for Savage because I'm not familiar enough with his show or writings to know what he wouldn't or wouldn't say and know that he's said enough stupid things that I can't rule it out in his case the way I can for the others.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for some specific examples of the "hatred spewed on a regular basis by the masses of right wing commentators" that's supposed to be so horrible.
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Koltar

John,

 You are really missing the point.

 Read my last two posts.

No politics to argue about here.


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John Morrow

Quote from: The_Shadow;230074Sanest words I've read for a while. It pisses me off no end when people blame religion or whatever for violence; why it is so hard to admit that these things are only a pretext?

Whether it's a pretext or not, I think it's silly to claim that words and ideas don't move people to do things.  I don't think that people should be responsible for every nut who take their words or ideas to a murderous extreme but I do think it's reasonable to expect people not to explicitly incite the murder of innocents or cheer those who murder innocents and call them heroes or martyrs.
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TheShadow

Quote from: John Morrow;230088Whether it's a pretext or not, I think it's silly to claim that words and ideas don't move people to do things.  I don't think that people should be responsible for every nut who take their words or ideas to a murderous extreme but I do think it's reasonable to expect people not to explicitly incite the murder of innocents or cheer those who murder innocents and call them heroes or martyrs.

I wouldn't claim that people are not moved to do things by words. But I think the content of those words is not all that important. Evolutionary biology is the key here. Turn the volume off, and it makes sense still. The hypothetical Martian observer doesn't know whether the people are being exhorted in the name of Christ, the Homeland or Bimetallism, but the strings are being pulled, in the service of imperatives which most individuals cannot enunciate but which are related to our deepest biological natures. Killing is a part of those drives, and murder and war persist because they have or are felt to have real benefits (in evolutionary terms) for the killers.

But I don't expect most people to agree with me; chronic detachment has never been a popular option...
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I think that the real issue regarding all these conservative talk show hosts, John, is that none of them are really very worth defending. These guys aren't William F. Buckley, they really do very little other than to give conservatism a very bad rep.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;230122I think that the real issue regarding all these conservative talk show hosts, John, is that none of them are really very worth defending. These guys aren't William F. Buckley, they really do very little other than to give conservatism a very bad rep.

They all give conservatism a very bad rep with whom, exactly?  And the reason why I asked for specific examples of the "hatred spewed on a regular basis by the masses of right wing commentators" is that I think their bad rep is more a product of how other people characterize them than what they actually say.  Have you ever read a book by any of them or spent any significant amount of time listening to them yourself?
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