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« Reply #420 on: August 25, 2008, 02:39:02 am »
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Here's a less wacky theory:  You're an ignorant, intellectually subaverage lump of shit that couldn't think his way out of a paper bag.

All you are doing by participating in this conversation is providing further evidence that right-wingers are fucking idiots.


You seem to lash out more and more with this line of drivel as you find yourself backed into a intellectually dishonest corner.
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« Reply #421 on: August 25, 2008, 02:54:31 am »
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You seem to lash out more and more with this line of drivel as you find yourself backed into a intellectually dishonest corner.


Cav, you can be hard to follow sometimes...but you're reasonable. Your above post is pretty on target in this case.

 The funny thing?

 I'm not a right-winger.

I reality-checked with a few people this past week. One or two told me that I'm probably actually a liberal. (Gasp! I'll have to change all my t-shirts and the cards in my wallet)

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« Reply #422 on: August 25, 2008, 06:04:37 am »
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Yet in this reply and others, you are filling in what you think I believe based on what I've so far, going far beyond anything I have said.  Either that's fair game or it's not but don't call me on it when you are doing it yourself.  


Where ? This little tangent started with me calling you out on a comment you conceded (kinda off) that nobody had really made.

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Yet I'm supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to a person who constantly calls me names and espouses some quote radical ideas?


Where have I called you names and said you espouse radical ideas ? Are you talking about Jackalope ? Or are you addressing me, in which case kindly point out where I called you names or said you espouse radical ideas. I admit, I do find what you write troubling but I say so openly.

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I find it rather bizarre not only that I'm the only one you can find fault with in this thread but that you are engaged in exactly the same thing that you were faulting me for doing (making assumptions about what I might believe).


Please show me where I do this ? I think the only assumption I've made about you is the last remark about how I think your " the tone of your criticisms will get darker after solidarity" comment.

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It never came up.  So why didn't you ask instead of making an assumption?


Why should I have to ? When someone like you goes on everytime in the same way whenever the subject of assimilation is brought up never giving the impression that it is a two way street, it's hardly wrong for someone (like me) to assume that you do not in fact think it's a two way street. If you don't think it's worth mentioning - the fact it's a two way street  -  which is perhaps the most important thing, than this says something about the way how you present your arguments or the way you really think.

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I said that the problems were not insurmountable.  Did I call them "minor inconveniences"?
Perhaps you missed the part where I said, "The problem that Jackalope describes is legitimate and many white people are, in fact, blind to the extra little hassles that black people frequently encounter simply for being black or don't believe that things like that actually happen (they do)."


Well IMO  describing it as "extra little hassles" is the same as minor inconveniences. Or do you consider the part of your conversation with Jackalope about blacks and incarceration "a little extra hassle". Or were you talking about the problems faced by middle and only middle class blacks ?

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As for what it's like to be black in a white society, I think that varies quite a bit from individual to individual.  I've talked to quit a few black friends and coworkers about it.  And if I post articles by black people who downplay the problems of racism or are critical of the black community, they'll simply be dismissed as inauthentic experiences, won't they?


I believe we have covered this part already....I'm a bit puzzled as to why you would bring it up again. Of course there's a diverse range of thought in the black community. My point was that you never seem to bring up the those opinions by blacks who are critical of the white community. Again If you go back and check my original comment to Jackalope it was to not dismiss these kinds (black opinions which are critical of their own community) of opinions....which seem to be the only ones you know btw.

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What do you mean by "clean house"?  I'm asking rather than going off on a tangent with assumptions.


You live in New York if I'm not mistaken. I mean something like this. There are some problems with this but I like what I've been reading so far. This is an example of "cleaning house" (mind you if I'm not mistaken one third of financing comes from the goverment the other two thirds are from private capital - so not exactly totally black financed but a good start) :

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/11/60minutes/main1611936.shtml

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I wouldn't be opposed to that idea if it worked.  I simply have doubts that it will work.


Oh it works....but believe me when I say it's a messy endevour. I would give you specific examples....okay it's more like ongoing processes but the results have been extremely positive, but most of the examples are in the Asian region, so I'll just leave it at that.

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« Reply #423 on: August 25, 2008, 09:20:01 am »
Quote from: Koltar;239627
Cav, you can be hard to follow sometimes...but you're reasonable. Your above post is pretty on target in this case.

 The funny thing?

 I'm not a right-winger.

I reality-checked with a few people this past week. One or two told me that I'm probably actually a liberal. (Gasp! I'll have to change all my t-shirts and the cards in my wallet)

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You'll find that the majority of the right and left share many common positions. It's is the extreme fringes, on both sides, that display the kind of vitriol that Jack does. It’s not just a political or philosophical difference to him, he sees himself in a battle where his opponents are not even human beings. That’s what makes him dangerous.

It really doesn’t matter where you lean on a political spectrum until you become a radical.
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« Reply #424 on: August 25, 2008, 04:02:25 pm »
Quote from: Koltar;239627
Cav, you can be hard to follow sometimes...but you're reasonable. Your above post is pretty on target in this case.


No Ed, you're just a fucking idiot.  You are incapable of cognating the difference between "reasonable" and "appeals to my biases."  Seriously, in the months that I have been here I still ahve yet to see you even make a singlke attempt at presenting anything resembling a coherent, sensible argument.

You just BLATHER.  Nothing you say is backed up by any sort of reasoning, half of what you say simply doesn't make sense, you regularly display gross ignorance of facts

CavScout was not remotely "on target."  If you had half a brain, it would be obvious what he's doing.  He's been twisting and misrepresenting my beliefs so as box me in, and force me to defend myself against utterly spurious accusations.  All in an effort to avoid addressing my actual arguments.

Where, for example, is his evidence that I want to perpetuate racism for all time?  He makes no attempt to demonstrate this from my comments, he simply asserts that it is true.  Yet, in response to Werekoala's request, I laid out some ideas about how to address racism.  All of these ideas were selected for the predictable and immediate results that they create.  Yet CavScout, in total definance of my stated desires, claims I want to perpetuate the existing situation for all time in order to have something to rail against.  There is nothing to support this interpretation!

So when he claims that I "lash out more and more with this line of drivel as {I} find {myself} backed into a intellectually dishonest corner" what he is actually commenting on is the real fact that I tend to lash out more and more when I get frustrated by other people's intellectual dishonesty.

He's being intellectually dishonest, it's pissing me off, and the only reason you agree with his interpretation of reality is that it supports your delusional belief that you aren't a pea-brained idiot.

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The funny thing?

I'm not a right-winger.


Hard to tell, considering the way you defend right-wing hate literature, attempt to suppress or censor any criticism of the right, play cheerleader to the right-wingers on this board, and constantly praise them for their "reasonableness" when they are being clearly disingenuous.

Ultimately Ed, I have such incredible lack of confidence in your intelligence that I honestly do not believe you are intellectually capable of identifying your own political bias.  You may (quite-by-accident) be correct that you aren't a right-winger though.  You may simply be too stupid to be labeled with an specific ideology.
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« Reply #425 on: August 25, 2008, 04:10:42 pm »
Congrats Ed, you're now a member of the "Jackass called you stoopid" club. Your t-shirt is in the mail.
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« Reply #426 on: August 25, 2008, 04:35:32 pm »
Lemmee see if I have this thread straight:

OP: blatent political trolling
Me: cookies!
Jackalope: Semi-coherent rantings that seriously confuse Race and Culture, and demonstrates why we should continute to mock him endlessly.
Walkerp vs Gleichman, part 532
CavScout vs Stormbringer, Part 1421
John Morrow: Long posts, lots of links, makes strong cases for his points
Jackalope: Calls John a poopie head with nothing to say
David R: Points out that John isn't making strong cases for other peoples points, or something
Koltar: Can't we all just get along?
Jackalope: More semi-coherent ramblings, also Koltar is a poppie head with nothing to say
Cavscout: taunts Jackalope and Stormbringer into continuing the thread slinging insults and less and less communicative stuff...

Did I miss anything?
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« Reply #427 on: August 25, 2008, 04:52:08 pm »
Quote from: Spike;239782
Lemmee see if I have this thread straight:

OP: blatent political trolling
Me: cookies!
Jackalope: Semi-coherent rantings that seriously confuse Race and Culture, and demonstrates why we should continute to mock him endlessly.
Walkerp vs Gleichman, part 532
CavScout vs Stormbringer, Part 1421
John Morrow: Long posts, lots of links, makes strong cases for his points
Jackalope: Calls John a poopie head with nothing to say
David R: Points out that John isn't making strong cases for other peoples points, or something
Koltar: Can't we all just get along?
Jackalope: More semi-coherent ramblings, also Koltar is a poppie head with nothing to say
Cavscout: taunts Jackalope and Stormbringer into continuing the thread slinging insults and less and less communicative stuff...

Did I miss anything?


Clearly it should be part 1422.
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« Reply #428 on: August 25, 2008, 06:45:24 pm »
Nah , Spike it looks like you did a pretty good summation there.

 In that one line - were you saying that Jackalope was calling me a poppie head or a poopie head?  if its the first one , then someone is overestimating my ability to find the really good herbal happy-making drugs.

Not that I wouldn't mind some pain killers right now. (but thats another topic)


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« Reply #429 on: August 25, 2008, 07:11:22 pm »
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Quote from: Jackalope
...crypto-bigot...
See, Ian, you went and taught Jackalope a new word.
Nah, not really.  It's like Japanese and the color "green".  They always knew what the color was, they just didn't differentiate it from "blue".

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« Reply #430 on: August 25, 2008, 09:51:18 pm »
Quote from: Spike;239782
Lemmee see if I have this thread straight:

OP: blatent political trolling
Me: cookies!
Jackalope: Semi-coherent rantings that seriously confuse Race and Culture, and demonstrates why we should continute to mock him endlessly.
Walkerp vs Gleichman, part 532
CavScout vs Stormbringer, Part 1421
John Morrow: Long posts, lots of links, makes strong cases for his points
Jackalope: Calls John a poopie head with nothing to say
David R: Points out that John isn't making strong cases for other peoples points, or something
Koltar: Can't we all just get along?
Jackalope: More semi-coherent ramblings, also Koltar is a poppie head with nothing to say
Cavscout: taunts Jackalope and Stormbringer into continuing the thread slinging insults and less and less communicative stuff...

Did I miss anything?


Yeah, I was in there pretty early on pointing out the fuckwits of the thread and how they've continued to be fuckwits by engaging in the political trolling.

Otherwise you got it in one, particularly the mocking of Jackalope.

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« Reply #431 on: August 25, 2008, 10:40:04 pm »
Ah... yes, the missing line

Jeff37923: The lone cassandra predicting doom upon all our houses for our sins.


To be inserted somewhere around Cookies!
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« Reply #432 on: August 26, 2008, 06:36:33 pm »
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Ah... yes, the missing line

Jeff37923: The lone cassandra predicting doom upon all our houses for our sins.


To be inserted somewhere around Cookies!


Put the line anywhere. It's all Greek to me!