Quote from: jrientsWell it matters to me.  I worry about how female members in particular view your use of "pretty girl" as a slur.  This joint already has a bit of the smell of the boys locker room about it, let's not dig ourselves in further in that regard.

I very much concur. An argument can be made for the functional advantages of a forced ignore over a banning but this is purely abuse of administrative power to effect revenge...and done in a manner that is petty and unproductive.

Bill

Quote from: StumpydaveWho's Franklin?

Ben Franklin

Quote from: Hastur T. FannonI'm probably going to regret asking this, but can someone please explain in what way the meaning (note emphasis) of these two sentences is different?

Nothing, but neither of those is what he said. The popular misquotes add "and lose both" to it, making a much more dire pronouncement than it was intended to be. You can see a scan of the actual book here.

Re the pissing contest superiority BS: I think my behavior at other boards disproves that. You'll find no evidence of me duking it out with mods for leader of the pack status, nor evidence of me lording it over peons at those boards where I am a mod.

Pundit and I disagree on most things, but when I agree I tell him. Nox and I disagree on most things but when we agree I tell him. JimBobOz disagree on a lot of things, but when we agree I tell him. The difference is that Pundit and Nox take the stance of "fuck anyone that doesn't agree with me" and JimBob says "let's eat Cheetos and have fun." Those that act like caricatures have no room to complain when treated like one. Those that act respectfully to their peers command it in return.

sounds like someone has taken "Rules on Making Oneself Disagreeable" to heart...

Who? I certainly disagree with people, but generally not with the fervor, zealotry, and ascerbicism as Pundit. I suppose you could mean both of us, but I've never seen those rules so couldn't say.

Got a link? Sounds like interesting and amusing reading.

Quote from: James McMurrayYou can see a scan of the actual book here.

If we're really being snarky, that article doesn't contain a scan of the book, but (as the author admits) a version that as been digitially modified for typographical reasons

But seriously, I just can't figure out a rational reason for you posting what you did in the way you did it.  Even a pedant like myself would have have only posted the correct version with a link and (maybe if I was feeling really pissy) as slightly sarky comment.  Why did you set that trap?

I wanted to know if he had other sources. People (like Ben Franklin) have things they say frequently. Those things change over time as they get reworded or opinions change. It's quite possible that at a different time than the one I know about Franklin added the "and lose it" bit. It's hard to learn from people with more knowledge than you if you don't ask questions, and I know for a fact that Pundit is much more knowledgable than I am when it comes to history.

It wasn't a trap, it was a question posed to an educated man about his area of expertise. I did think he was probably just misquoting, but figured I'd defer to his degree and find out for sure.

Cobblers

You knew he'd got the quote wrong because you had that link to the guy who'd traced it back to the source
You also knew that it's a quote that even normally knowledgable sources get wrong (as that article shows)
IIRC Pundit's field is the history of religion, not the Revolutionary War.  Maybe, just maybe, he'd know a bit more about Franklin as I believe that they are/were both Travelling Men

I'm afraid that this looks a lot like mod-baiting to me and you've got off lightly.  If the Nutkins had still been in charge you'd have had all your posts stuck through the Swedish Chef filter, but they'd still appear normal to you

My understanding is that his knowledge base is in history, not religion. I could be wrong, but I believe he mentioned it early on in the atheism thread. I'd go look, but can't.

I had a link to a source. As I said, it's possible that Franklin said seperate similar things on multiple occassions. Also as I said to someone else earlier in the thread, you're free to assign motives how you want, but that doesn't make them true.

Quote from: James McMurrayWho? I certainly disagree with people, but generally not with the fervor, zealotry, and ascerbicism as Pundit. I suppose you could mean both of us, but I've never seen those rules so couldn't say.

Got a link? Sounds like interesting and amusing reading.

Actually, i mean it in jest, but it might apply to the both of you.
Certainly didn't mean to offend, but it struck me as relevant.  (and don't make me go dig up the other article regarding flatulence, hah!)

Here's the link:  http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/yale?vol=4&page=073a

(hit "I agree to the terms..." twice to get to the article.)

Quote from: Hastur T. FannonIIRC Pundit's field is the history of religion, not the Revolutionary War.  Maybe, just maybe, he'd know a bit more about Franklin as I believe that they are/were both Travelling Men

My specialty is religious history; my pre-graduate work was in History focusing on Tudor England, my post-graduate work was (in History) on Early Christianity, and later on (in Religious Studies), mysticism.

And yes, Franklin was one of the Masonic signers of the constitution.  But there's a TON of famous masons, and while (as a historian in general) I might be slightly more educated about any given historical period than a typical person, it won't make me an expert on every aspect of history everywhere. I'm no more likely to know obscure historical references about the Revolutionary American period than a historian specializing in the Revolution is likely to know about obscure details of Roman Imperial history.

RPGPundit

What's that Pundy? At least have the courtesy to stay out of topics made by those you're hiding from.

Quote from: kregmosierHere's the link:  http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/yale?vol=4&page=073a

Well, I don't do number one. You'd be hard pressed to find very many accounts of my games, eductaion, knowledge, etc. here or anywhere else. I've found the quickest way to bore me is to ramble on about something you did, and try not to do that to others.

For number two, I do tend to be one of the types that quotes various sentences and respond to them. Don't know if that counts or not. I don't tend to attack grammar though, even though when I see someone use "loose" instead of "lose" I want to slap their teachers straight back to grade school.

Three I definitely don't do. I've even openly agreed with Pundit and Nox on occassion.

Four I have no control over.

I do dig this last sentence:

QuoteHe can please only where he is, you whereever you are not.

Quote from: RPGPunditmy post-graduate work was (in History) on Early Christianity

Got any good book recommendations? Scholarly works are fine.

Quote from: droogGot any good book recommendations? Scholarly works are fine.

Book recommendations on what specific topic? Its a huge field of study.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditBook recommendations on what specific topic? Its a huge field of study.

The early Middle Ages in Europe and the Near East is my major interest. If that's still too broad, the process of syncretism as Christianity spread.