Like the title says; for various reasons I checked it out and was rather surprised that, instead of doubling down on the woke nonsense of Revelation, MotU Revolution pretty much did a hard reverse.
He-Man was front and center and saves the day from the actual villains, Teela is back to being He-Man's romantic interest (instead of gay-coded) and even needed to be saved by He-Man after she tries to channel too much magic (for the B-plot of seeking to restore Preternia that Evil-Lyn broke). Aida (or whatever her name was) was basically Jar-Jar'd (i.e. sidelined and even tricked into aiding the villains' plans and the ending all but puts her on a bus). They even semi-canonized the 80's live action movie.
It's realistically "average", but that's great by contrast.
It does raise the question for me of where to draw the line on "forgiveness" (not forgetting what has been done... nor giving them a pass if they fail to keep it up) in the sense that if you keep withholding the incentive for the subject to change their behavior after they've changed is that counterproductive to the goal of getting more of the people in entertainment to change course?
I mean, my deep suspicion is that Mattel basically put their foot down in light of the brand damage inflicted being the ACTUAL reason for the 180, but given all the prior times these things have just doubled down on stupid it felt noteworthy.
I dunno. Just wanted to share.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 06, 2024, 03:16:15 PM
Like the title says; for various reasons I checked it out and was rather surprised that, instead of doubling down on the woke nonsense of Revelation, MotU Revolution pretty much did a hard reverse.
He-Man was front and center and saves the day from the actual villains, Teela is back to being He-Man's romantic interest (instead of gay-coded) and even needed to be saved by He-Man after she tries to channel too much magic (for the B-plot of seeking to restore Preternia that Evil-Lyn broke). Aida (or whatever her name was) was basically Jar-Jar'd (i.e. sidelined and even tricked into aiding the villains' plans and the ending all but puts her on a bus). They even semi-canonized the 80's live action movie.
It's realistically "average", but that's great by contrast.
It does raise the question for me of where to draw the line on "forgiveness" (not forgetting what has been done... nor giving them a pass if they fail to keep it up) in the sense that if you keep withholding the incentive for the subject to change their behavior after they've changed is that counterproductive to the goal of getting more of the people in entertainment to change course?
I mean, my deep suspicion is that Mattel basically put their foot down in light of the brand damage inflicted being the ACTUAL reason for the 180, but given all the prior times these things have just doubled down on stupid it felt noteworthy.
I dunno. Just wanted to share.
Thank you for sharing. :D
I dunno. I wasn't all that interested because remakes/reboots/whateverthefucks are usually uninspired drek. (If it has "Rise" in the title, it's probably awful) The woke nonsense is just shit icing on the turd sundae.
Forgive if you want. If they put out something decent, it should be rewarded with views to reinforce that this is the kind of stuff we want. But then, if you're burned out, you're burned out. I didn't watch any of the TV Trek (DIS, PIC, SNW) because I just don't care for Trek anymore. Even the supposed "good" 3rd season of Picard.
Yeah, no, fuck that shit. The 2003 cartoon and 2021 CGI cartoon deserve continuations, not this disrespectful drek.
Forgiveness and mercy are for me to give to those who deserve it. These people do not deserve it. I find I am running low on both those things these days, especially with regard to trying to hijack my childhood.
"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"
They will just go back at it the second you look away.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2024, 03:50:54 AM
"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"
The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.
If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.
If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.
I don't have an answer; I just know I don't want to live in the sort of endless hate and perpetual outrage that the Woke does. That way lies nothing but misery (and the reminder that the Devil sends vices in opposing pairs so that in fleeing from one you run straight into the other).
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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2024, 03:50:54 AM
"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"
The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.
If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.
If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.
I don't have an answer; I just know I don't want to live in the sort of endless hate and perpetual outrage that the Woke does. That way lies nothing but misery (and the reminder that the Devil sends vices in opposing pairs so that in fleeing from one you run straight into the other).
The "sacrament of atonement" requires to aknowledge your sins, to confess, to ask for forgiveness, now let's translate that to the woke corporation:
They do seem to know what their mistake (sin) was.
They HAVEN'T publicly admited their mistake, either than by seemingly reversing course.
They HAVEN'T asked the fans for forgiveness both for shitting on the I.P. and allowing their employees to misstreat us.
Not to mention they are right back at it with the new X-men cartoon and who knows what they will do with the Fantastic 4 movie coming up and that is just two recently noted.
Back to form for Disney.
Is it any good in its own right?
Quote from: mightybrain on February 19, 2024, 06:20:10 AM
Is it any good in its own right?
It's an animated movie worth of content (5 episodes) where He-Man gets to save the day. I'd rank it as "okay" in the sense that it did nothing offensive and paid some homage to the past (including the live action film).
Plotwise, King Randor falls ill and dies, putting weight on Adam's shoulders and Skeletor schemes a way to get the crown for himself. Teela is off in the B-plot trying to figure out how to fix what got broken in Revelation and ultimately needs He-Man to save her from having absorbed too much magic.
It was primarily the He-Man, Skeletor, Teela and Lynn show (with Duncan, Orko and Gwildor [yes, from the movie] as main supporting cast) while the Aida(?; I don't care enough to look up her actual name) character from Revelation was basically Jar Jar'd (literally... sidelined with her main role being tricked into advancing Skeletor's plot... afterwards she gets put on a bus intending to become a politician... so Jar-Jar).
If they'd STARTED with this instead of Revelation, I suspect a lot more people would have been praising the thing, but after Revelation... well, the front half of Revelation was a LOT to forgive (and the back-half, while better than the front, still had to deal with all the baggage of the front).
As a stand-alone I'd say B-, but a solid B as a "Fix-Fic" offering.
I forgive people I know personally and I like. I am under zero obligation to forgive a stated enemy.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 06, 2024, 05:28:26 PM
[...] remakes/reboots/whateverthefucks are usually uninspired drek [...]
There was the short-lived
ThunderCats 2011 that I thought was pretty nice. I was especially interested to see where they were going with Mumm-Ra's story there, but it was cancelled. Instead, Cartoon Network greenlit some "modern audiences" ugly garbage cartoon in 2020. It was also cancelled after just one season, but it was a 52 episodes season!
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?
Forgiveness begins with a apology. Forgiveness means saying "sorry for being disrespectful, I was wrong". The woke mostly avoid doing this. The see how much they can spit in your face and if you raise a hand to stop them they back off, while seething that you denied the ability to do it again.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.
If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.
If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
Fuck that. As others have said, if someone comes to me contrite, and I feel fairly certain they are genuine, I'll forgive, but not forget. Constant benefit of the doubt for these people has just been more ammo for them. They really, truly, are the scorpion that stings the frog, over and over again.
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Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.
If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.
If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
Fuck that. As others have said, if someone comes to me contrite, and I feel fairly certain they are genuine, I'll forgive, but not forget. Constant benefit of the doubt for these people has just been more ammo for them. They really, truly, are the scorpion that stings the frog, over and over again.
Agreed. These people OPENLY STATE they hate us. Why on earth would I give anyone anything who told me they hate me? I dont owe them money, attention and certainly not forgiveness. If they push it I will eventually give them what I DO owe them.
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Another miss translation:
It should read "Love thy neighbor".
Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.
Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 24, 2024, 07:35:58 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Another miss translation:
It should read "Love thy neighbor".
Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.
Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.
Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.
I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.
Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.
Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania, still grounded in Revelation, and still the work of Pop Cultist and impenitent blasphemer Kevin Smith. :)
I don't desire them punished for their work, but I am under no obligation to give it time, money, or attention.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 08:06:15 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 24, 2024, 08:36:12 PM
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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Another miss translation:
It should read "Love thy neighbor".
Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.
Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.
Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48
There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.
I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.
Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.
I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?
Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.
How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.
As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.
Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 25, 2024, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 08:06:15 AM
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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Another miss translation:
It should read "Love thy neighbor".
Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.
Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.
Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48
There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.
I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.
Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.
I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?
Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.
How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.
As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.
That's fair enough. I was proposing a question rather than demanding a specific answer.
That said... in regard to the question of "should you let them murder you?"; consider the time of year we're in (Lent for those coming upon this much later). I'm a follower of someone who said "yes" to that and allowed himself to be tortured and murdered by his enemies. Many of his immediate followers suffered the same fate.
True, there was a greater purpose in play, but I think that actually reinforces the point. Some things are more important than this mortal life and if something like that does arise, don't be too sure your answer would always be no.
None of which is particularly relevant to whether or not you want to spend time watching a TV show, but then they also aren't yet able to actually murder us through our screens yet either.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 25, 2024, 07:01:29 PM
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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 23, 2024, 02:17:37 PM
But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.
I'm not taking the stance for the sake of being on the opposite side of the Woke. I'm taking the stance to be on the side of my Savior who asks me to love my enemies and not hold grudges.
It was the Woke who declared God to be their enemy and chose to be His opposite in all things (lack of forgiveness being just one of them). Me continuing to hold to my God's commandments is not me changing positions to be the opposite of the Woke... it's me holding to the same position I've always held.
Another miss translation:
It should read "Love thy neighbor".
Have they asked for forgivness? No.
Have they recognized their errors? No.
Do they trully mean to ammend their ways? We'll see, but I doubt it.
Should I lie down while they trample over me and my loved ones? I doubt that's what the commandment asks of us.
Not a mistranslation, but a different verse;
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.
- Matthew 5:43-48
There's a reason He also says "the way is narrow." It's NOT an easy path to wish good for your enemies; to pray for them to abandon wickedness instead of for them to suffer is hard. But it's what He asks for from His followers.
I'm also a "deeds mean more than words" guy in general. Anyone can SAY they're sorry. It's just words. I have no way of knowing what's really in their hearts as they say it. Someone actually changing course though? I still don't know their hearts, but I can at least approve of the actions they took.
Getting both is nice, but the deeds are more important to me than words.
I stand corrected, now, loving thy enemy means you should postrate yourself and let them murder you?
Yes, actions are more important, except when dealing with megacorporations (which aren't people), because they will course correct to protect their bottom line.
How can we know it's not just about the money? A good hint would be if they said the words, paired with the action.
As long as they don't do so I remain convinced they hate me, I DO NOT hate them, but I'm under no obligation of giving them my money, time or attention.
That's fair enough. I was proposing a question rather than demanding a specific answer.
That said... in regard to the question of "should you let them murder you?"; consider the time of year we're in (Lent for those coming upon this much later). I'm a follower of someone who said "yes" to that and allowed himself to be tortured and murdered by his enemies. Many of his immediate followers suffered the same fate.
True, there was a greater purpose in play, but I think that actually reinforces the point. Some things are more important than this mortal life and if something like that does arise, don't be too sure your answer would always be no.
None of which is particularly relevant to whether or not you want to spend time watching a TV show, but then they also aren't yet able to actually murder us through our screens yet either.
I'm not sure I would make a good martyr, but who knows, IF God wants you to do it...
But I'm not sure God's will is for us to allow the Satan worshippers to murder us or to give them money so they can keep on corrupting children.
The murder question (as I'm sure you understood it) was not about Netflix in particular, but more general.
Replace murder with corrupting children, are we allowed to fight them then?
IF we let them win (by allowing ourselves to be killed or by standing aside while they keep pushing satanism) are we not as guilty as them?
As a Christian what has more weight? To oppose evil or to love thy enemy? Can you love them as a Christian and still fight them?
Again, I hold no hate in my heart, but you can bet your bottom dollar I'm willing to commit a lot of violence if need be, given the right circumnstances..
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 25, 2024, 11:42:59 AM
Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania,
Castlevania, what little I have seen of it, was not bad. Just not my thing really. Not sure if its the dub or what. But it just feels a little off in delivery sometimes.
Quote from: Omega on February 29, 2024, 04:31:27 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 25, 2024, 11:42:59 AM
Unfortunately, it's still on Netflix, home of things like Cuties and Castlevania,
Castlevania, what little I have seen of it, was not bad. Just not my thing really. Not sure if its the dub or what. But it just feels a little off in delivery sometimes.
What's funny about that is it's an English-language original. So the off-delivery is entirely the fault of the script and original actors.
To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres, but the the original was pretty good; particularly s1-2 (which is basically a long movie in terms of length... about 4 hours runtime total). Season 3 is probably weakest on its own (two disconnected plots, which are resolved, but with downer endings, that in retrospect were so as setups to bring it all back together in s4), but improves if you go right into Season 4 without pause.
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 29, 2024, 07:31:32 AM
To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres,
Give it that I only made it 5 minutes into the second episode of the original before being turned off by the cartoonish anti-Catholicism and vulgarity, Nocturne
must be horrid. :)
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on February 29, 2024, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on February 29, 2024, 07:31:32 AM
To be further fair, Castlevania: Nocturne (the sequel series) is far more woke and deserves to be staked, beheaded and both head and body burned on separate pyres,
Give it that I only made it 5 minutes into the second episode of the original before being turned off by the cartoonish anti-Catholicism and vulgarity, Nocturne must be horrid. :)
The vulgarity got to me too. This isnt the 90s and you dont have to put swear words in every other sentence.
First of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.
Second, also Netflix is corporation so logic of forgiving sinners which is Evangelically strictly individual do not really apply. You buy things from corporation because you like or need them, you don't if you don't. But also that means influence of corporation is more nebulous, and whole question should I forgive them because they made better He-Man series is reductionist. If you ask whether there is need to boycott Netflix then neither one bad He-Man cartoon is no reason for that, nor is one good reason to not too.
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 15, 2024, 03:50:52 AMFirst of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.
Fucking with characters for outrage marketing is never fine. And since these publishers keep doing this. YES. There is ample reason to hold multiple grudges on these idiots because they never learn and they can and will keep fucking with things.
QuoteFucking with characters for outrage marketing is never fine.
And in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 15, 2024, 03:50:52 AMFirst of all, there may be things for which Netflix owes you apology.
But making bad He-Man sequel with He-Man being supporting character is... not one of those things.
You can dislike it, but it's not in any way sin against you, you are in no position to keep grudge. You may dislike it, and not watch it, and that's fine.
Second, also Netflix is corporation so logic of forgiving sinners which is Evangelically strictly individual do not really apply. You buy things from corporation because you like or need them, you don't if you don't. But also that means influence of corporation is more nebulous, and whole question should I forgive them because they made better He-Man series is reductionist. If you ask whether there is need to boycott Netflix then neither one bad He-Man cartoon is no reason for that, nor is one good reason to not too.
First of all: Learn to write proper English it isn't that hard.
Second, you appear to have lost the forest for the trees, or are purposefully misunderstanding the detour about sinning.
Third, YOU don't get to decide what I find offensive enough to merit an apology from the makers of that show before I even consider forgiving what they did, that's a power ONLY I have.
I cancelled Netflix for their pedo adventures, but (even knowing how and having the means to do so) I wouldn't even pirate their MotU wanna be show.
QuoteFirst of all: Learn to write proper English it isn't that hard.
I refuse to bestow such honour on this mongrelish half-French abomination that erased glory of Old English :P
QuoteSecond, you appear to have lost the forest for the trees, or are purposefully misunderstanding the detour about sinning.
I think not. Like either you judge Netflix as whole, and I said it's OK - I don't buy their merch either.
Or you judge just this small piece of creation.
QuoteThird, YOU don't get to decide what I find offensive enough to merit an apology from the makers of that show before I even consider forgiving what they did, that's a power ONLY I have.
Well that's exactly what wokesters claim about offence and being offended, and I mock them for it. Why should I make exception for their conservative mirror-personas :P
QuoteI cancelled Netflix for their pedo adventures, but (even knowing how and having the means to do so) I wouldn't even pirate their MotU wanna be show.
I mean that's fine take. Especially part 1.
Part 2 - well that depend whether you generally like MOTU I guess (I never did even as small kid so...)
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 16, 2024, 04:15:12 PMAnd in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.
As long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.
Quote from: Omega on April 18, 2024, 12:51:11 PMQuote from: Wrath of God on April 16, 2024, 04:15:12 PMAnd in social media era, generally any remotely controversial, trangressive, risky or bad decision can be accussed of it, as outrage is all there is.
As long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.
And if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...
You seem to be under the delusion that if ignored, the woke will just go away. We've gotten here because the woke were ignored for way too long. The woke are like ticks: try to pull them out and they'll dig deeper, ignore them and they'll just keep sucking your blood and giving you diseases. Pick one.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on April 18, 2024, 04:01:26 PMAnd if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...
No. They move on to new trendy marketing ploys. This is about money. They only pull these outrage marketing gags because marketing tells them its golden. Just like all the other trendy gags you see everywhere.
Quote from: Omega on April 20, 2024, 02:49:15 PMQuote from: Eirikrautha on April 18, 2024, 04:01:26 PMAnd if no one does call it out, the companies will put more in and claim to everyone that it's always been there and you didn't complain about it before...
No. They move on to new trendy marketing ploys. This is about money. They only pull these outrage marketing gags because marketing tells them its golden. Just like all the other trendy gags you see everywhere.
Unfortunately, history doesn't support your contention. I'm waiting for examples of companies that have jettisoned DEI due to being ignored. The only ones I've seen back off did so because of pushback...
I watched one episode. It was bad. I'm done. There's other stuff that I actually want to watch.
QuoteAs long as they can get free advertising from people like Pundit and other reviewers they will keep doing it.
I mean some level of outrage marketing is probably true, but I doubt if in modern very divisive internet it's real advertisement. Outrage reviewers on right side caters and get money from right wingers following them in spiral of outrage - it's like almost independent clockwork wheel - thats slightly pushed by wokes but generally at this point very much is moving on its own.
Quote from: Wrath of God on April 23, 2024, 07:55:05 AMI mean some level of outrage marketing is probably true, but I doubt if in modern very divisive internet it's real advertisement. Outrage reviewers on right side caters and get money from right wingers following them in spiral of outrage - it's like almost independent clockwork wheel - thats slightly pushed by wokes but generally at this point very much is moving on its own.
Have you seen how marketing will latch onto a marketing gag and run it in to the dirt and hen start tunneling?
They will keep pushing some trend relentlessly even when its obvious to anyone with three brain cells that it is not working as intended anymore.
Look at stuff from the 70s where marketing was pushing pets for every show, cartoon and live action. Or robots in the 80s. and so on. Like that spate of trying to attract the ADHD crowd by fast cutting everything in a movie till you could barely follow some.
The show creators can fuck off. It's obviously not genuine and it doesn't undo what they did.
Fuck revelation. They should've continued the cgi cartoon instead. Fuck netflix.
I gave up on Castlevania, Picard, Invincible and a bunch of other shows because of the shitty writing and woke preaching. They can fuck right off to hell.
I'm glad they're going bankrupt. Hollywood and their shit streaming services can go to hell.
The outrage marketing thing is obviously not working any more if it ever worked. These things are tanking. Peter Pan & Wendy leaned heavily into the outrage marketing. Peter Pan & Wendy fucking bombed. It's the same strategy they used with The Little Mermaid remake and it fucking bombed too. This strategy has been failing spectacularly since Ghostbusters (2016). You might be able to get people talking about it on Youtube but that doesn't translate to people actually paying to see it.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 28, 2024, 08:26:21 AMThe show creators can fuck off. It's obviously not genuine and it doesn't undo what they did.
Fuck revelation. They should've continued the cgi cartoon instead. Fuck netflix.
I gave up on Castlevania, Picard, Invincible and a bunch of other shows because of the shitty writing and woke preaching. They can fuck right off to hell.
I'm glad they're going bankrupt. Hollywood and their shit streaming services can go to hell.
Absolutely, the CGI "cartoon" had TWO strong female characters, but they weren't Girl-Bosses, genuine characters with flaws to overcome.
It departed A LOT from established lore, and yet I think most fans would have loved it if they gave it a chance.
Or revive the 2002 cartoon.
Quote from: yosemitemike on April 28, 2024, 09:26:50 AMThe outrage marketing thing is obviously not working any more if it ever worked.
Apparently for one company it did. And if it worked for one then sure enough marketing everywhere will push it. And they did.
WotC has been playing this since not long after 5e came out. Seed some preview of a new product with some trigger words and Pundit and others will advertise the game by complaining because sure enough people will buy the book just to see if it is as bad as these people are saying. And near every time its not.
Candlekeep is a big one. They dropped a few buzzwords and boom Pundit is all over it. But theres nothing in the book. They KNOW.
They are not going to stop until something blows up monumentally. And thats unlikely to happen as WotC plays it very cagey.
Marvel and Disney on the other hand are totally inept and blatant about it all. Has there been a single Marvel product in the last decade that has not somehow some way been blatantly woke?
Quote from: Omega on April 29, 2024, 12:45:18 AMCandlekeep is a big one. They dropped a few buzzwords and boom Pundit is all over it. But theres nothing in the book. They KNOW.
Did it work for them though? Outrage on Youtube doesn't necessarily translate into sales. Did this book sell? WotC is hiding the numbers as much as they can but their current financial problems suggest that this book and other recent boo0ks that leaned into the outrage marketing haven't sold well. RPGPundit has around 7,740 followers on Youtube. I would argue that a lot of them are probably OSR types who were not going to buy Candlekeep anyway. Does content on his channel affect sales significantly in either direction? Does it matter at all? Most people in the wider 5e players base have probably never heard of Kasimir Urbanski.