Like the title says; for various reasons I checked it out and was rather surprised that, instead of doubling down on the woke nonsense of Revelation, MotU Revolution pretty much did a hard  reverse.

He-Man was front and center and saves the day from the actual villains, Teela is back to being He-Man's romantic interest (instead of gay-coded) and even needed to be saved by He-Man after she tries to channel too much magic (for the B-plot of seeking to restore Preternia that Evil-Lyn broke). Aida (or whatever her name was) was basically Jar-Jar'd (i.e. sidelined and even tricked into aiding the villains' plans and the ending all but puts her on a bus). They even semi-canonized the 80's live action movie.

It's realistically "average", but that's great by contrast.

It does raise the question for me of where to draw the line on "forgiveness" (not forgetting what has been done... nor giving them a pass if they fail to keep it up) in the sense that if you keep withholding the incentive for the subject to change their behavior after they've changed is that counterproductive to the goal of getting more of the people in entertainment to change course?

I mean, my deep suspicion is that Mattel basically put their foot down in light of the brand damage inflicted being the ACTUAL reason for the 180, but given all the prior times these things have just doubled down on stupid it felt noteworthy.

I dunno. Just wanted to share.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 06, 2024, 03:16:15 PM
Like the title says; for various reasons I checked it out and was rather surprised that, instead of doubling down on the woke nonsense of Revelation, MotU Revolution pretty much did a hard  reverse.

He-Man was front and center and saves the day from the actual villains, Teela is back to being He-Man's romantic interest (instead of gay-coded) and even needed to be saved by He-Man after she tries to channel too much magic (for the B-plot of seeking to restore Preternia that Evil-Lyn broke). Aida (or whatever her name was) was basically Jar-Jar'd (i.e. sidelined and even tricked into aiding the villains' plans and the ending all but puts her on a bus). They even semi-canonized the 80's live action movie.

It's realistically "average", but that's great by contrast.

It does raise the question for me of where to draw the line on "forgiveness" (not forgetting what has been done... nor giving them a pass if they fail to keep it up) in the sense that if you keep withholding the incentive for the subject to change their behavior after they've changed is that counterproductive to the goal of getting more of the people in entertainment to change course?

I mean, my deep suspicion is that Mattel basically put their foot down in light of the brand damage inflicted being the ACTUAL reason for the 180, but given all the prior times these things have just doubled down on stupid it felt noteworthy.

I dunno. Just wanted to share.

Thank you for sharing.

I dunno. I wasn't all that interested because remakes/reboots/whateverthefucks are usually uninspired drek. (If it has "Rise" in the title, it's probably awful) The woke nonsense is just shit icing on the turd sundae.
Forgive if you want. If they put out something decent, it should be rewarded with views to reinforce that this is the kind of stuff we want. But then, if you're burned out, you're burned out. I didn't watch any of the TV Trek (DIS, PIC, SNW) because I just don't care for Trek anymore. Even the supposed "good" 3rd season of Picard.

Yeah, no, fuck that shit. The 2003 cartoon and 2021 CGI cartoon deserve continuations, not this disrespectful drek.

  Forgiveness and mercy are for me to give to those who deserve it.  These people do not deserve it.  I find I am running low on both those things these days, especially with regard to trying to hijack my childhood.

"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"

They will just go back at it the second you look away.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2024, 03:50:54 AM
"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"

The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?

That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.

If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.

If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.

I don't have an answer; I just know I don't want to live in the sort of endless hate and perpetual outrage that the Woke does. That way lies nothing but misery (and the reminder that the Devil sends vices in opposing pairs so that in fleeing from one you run straight into the other).

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 17, 2024, 03:50:54 AM
"They stopped putting rat poison in the gruel, should I gobble the slop now?"

The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?

That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.

If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.

If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.

I don't have an answer; I just know I don't want to live in the sort of endless hate and perpetual outrage that the Woke does. That way lies nothing but misery (and the reminder that the Devil sends vices in opposing pairs so that in fleeing from one you run straight into the other).

The "sacrament of atonement" requires to aknowledge your sins, to confess, to ask for forgiveness, now let's translate that to the woke corporation:

They do seem to know what their mistake (sin) was.

They HAVEN'T publicly admited their mistake, either than by seemingly reversing course.

They HAVEN'T asked the fans for forgiveness both for shitting on the I.P. and allowing their employees to misstreat us.

Not to mention they are right back at it with the new X-men cartoon and who knows what they will do with the Fantastic 4 movie coming up and that is just two recently noted.

Back to form for Disney.

Is it any good in its own right?

Quote from: mightybrain on February 19, 2024, 06:20:10 AM
Is it any good in its own right?

It's an animated movie worth of content (5 episodes) where He-Man gets to save the day. I'd rank it as "okay" in the sense that it did nothing offensive and paid some homage to the past (including the live action film).

Plotwise, King Randor falls ill and dies, putting weight on Adam's shoulders and Skeletor schemes a way to get the crown for himself. Teela is off in the B-plot trying to figure out how to fix what got broken in Revelation and ultimately needs He-Man to save her from having absorbed too much magic.

It was primarily the He-Man, Skeletor, Teela and Lynn show (with Duncan, Orko and Gwildor [yes, from the movie] as main supporting cast) while the Aida(?; I don't care enough to look up her actual name) character from Revelation was basically Jar Jar'd (literally... sidelined with her main role being tricked into advancing Skeletor's plot... afterwards she gets put on a bus intending to become a politician... so Jar-Jar).

If they'd STARTED with this instead of Revelation, I suspect a lot more people would have been praising the thing, but after Revelation... well, the front half of Revelation was a LOT to forgive (and the back-half, while better than the front, still had to deal with all the baggage of the front).

As a stand-alone I'd say B-, but a solid B as a "Fix-Fic" offering.

  I forgive people I know personally and I like.  I am under zero obligation to forgive a stated enemy. 

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 06, 2024, 05:28:26 PM
[...] remakes/reboots/whateverthefucks are usually uninspired drek [...]

There was the short-lived ThunderCats 2011 that I thought was pretty nice. I was especially interested to see where they were going with Mumm-Ra's story there, but it was cancelled. Instead, Cartoon Network greenlit some "modern audiences" ugly garbage cartoon in 2020. It was also cancelled after just one season, but it was a 52 episodes season!

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
The point of my original question is that, yes, it's gruel, but if there is no possibility of forgiveness, then what is the incentive to ever even beginning to reverse course?

Forgiveness begins with a apology. Forgiveness means saying "sorry for being disrespectful, I was wrong". The woke mostly avoid doing this. The see how much they can spit in your face and if you raise a hand to stop them they back off, while seething that you denied the ability to do it again.

Quote from: Chris24601 on February 18, 2024, 06:15:19 AM
That's the biggest vulnerability of the Woke; there is no sacrament of atonement... there is just endless guilt for which you must be punished forever... and every one of them will eventually fall short and be cast out.

If there's no hope of forgiveness from the normal people either, then they'll just double down to keep trying to ride the Woke train all the way to Hell.

If you don't even praise the attempts to turn around because they sinned in the past then we're just as much on the purity spiral as they are... anything touched by the woke is forever damned and impure.

But you've accidently fallen into another Woke sin, taking the opposite stance of whatever your enemy does. They do not believe in forgiveness, so we must be forgiving.

Fuck that. As others have said, if someone comes to me contrite, and I feel fairly certain they are genuine, I'll forgive, but not forget. Constant benefit of the doubt for these people has just been more ammo for them. They really, truly, are the scorpion that stings the frog, over and over again.