Quote from: TonyLB"Should superheroes wear colorful spandex or black kevlar?"

I don't see what all the fighting is about, when you can just get some nice custom red, white, and blue kevlar. I bet vest vendors would fall over themselves to supply The American Guard or The League of Protectors. ^_^

Tony. Have you read the new Mage game?

Quote from: KoltarHe is he secretly a friend of yours?
- Ed C.

Why do you even give a shit, man? What does it matter? How does it make you have fun with games? Or did you decide to play war, too?

Quote from: Thanatos02Tony. Have you read the new Mage game?

Sadly, not yet.  I'm a big fan of the old Mage game (ran a two year campaign that was a blast) but I haven't gotten into the new world of darkness yet.  So many games, so little time

Quote from: RPGPunditGood, so you have now admitted that Ron Edwards offended someone, and that this "someone" included regular Roleplayers.

The only thing you refuse to admit is that he did this before regular roleplayers attacked the Forge or the Theory movement.  However, since you refuse to back up your claim that they attacked first, you are essentially conceding defeat on this issue.

In my reading of the situation, I'd say all of the above is probably more or less true.  But why are you so freaked out about it?  I mean who really cares?  Has your gaming been affected?  Is the industry threatened?  This is what I don't get.  I mean we've all been offended at one time or another on the internet.  Your voluminous vociferousness on this issue makes your whole anti-swine movement seem awfully sensitive and thin-skinned.  Also kind of weird and crazy.

Quote from: walkerpIn my reading of the situation, I'd say all of the above is probably more or less true.  But why are you so freaked out about it?  I mean who really cares?  Has your gaming been affected?  Is the industry threatened?  This is what I don't get.  I mean we've all been offended at one time or another on the internet.  Your voluminous vociferousness on this issue makes your whole anti-swine movement seem awfully sensitive and thin-skinned.  Also kind of weird and crazy.

Walker: Its because the Theory guys like to claim, simultaneously at times, that "there is no War", in the sense that no one from the Theory crowd ever attacks regular Roleplayers or Roleplaying, and that if there was, both sides would be equally to blame or something, as if its "impossible to know" who started it.

They like to claim that people like me are attacking the Forge with no reason or basis, and that there aren't a lot of people upset and annoyed at how the Theory and Storygames crowd have acted, because they refuse to admit that they act with utter contempt for the regular Roleplayers and their games.

RPGPundit

Quote from: KoltarTonyLB - Do you know Chuckles??
He is he secretly a friend of yours?
- Ed C.

Dude, whenever somebody here starts with that kind of questions always end looking like the retarded bred of an Spanish Inquisitor with McCarthy.
 
What's the next question? Are you a Communist?

Quote from: RPGPunditWalker: Its because the Theory guys like to claim, simultaneously at times, that "there is no War", in the sense that no one from the Theory crowd ever attacks regular Roleplayers or Roleplaying, and that if there was, both sides would be equally to blame or something, as if its "impossible to know" who started it.

They like to claim that people like me are attacking the Forge with no reason or basis, and that there aren't a lot of people upset and annoyed at how the Theory and Storygames crowd have acted, because they refuse to admit that they act with utter contempt for the regular Roleplayers and their games.

RPGPundit

I get your logic, but who cares if they act with utter contempt for regular roleplayers?  There are certain styles and approaches that I think suck.  Some fall under pretentious and self-involved Forgey psychological wanking and some fall under lame Trad number-crunching and comparisons of geek dick-size.  Everybody has their preferences and they tend to hang out with others who share those preferences.  And some of them are going to dis the things they don't like.  

It's the level of the outrage that I don't get.  D&D dominates the market and traditional styles of gaming are far and away the norm and probably won't change.  So where is the threat?  It's like Windows users railing about the Mac.  Or the American government's policy towards Cuba.  Weird resentments of the ruling class.

And strategically, it's not working either.  You can see from the success of the IPR booth and the way they market their games that hiding their true feelings (following your perception of the situation here) is much more effective than railing against their enemy.

But I'm sure you've heard all this before.  My main point is that I really don't get the level of the anger and hurt.  It's not just you, either, but you've placed yourself in the figurehead of this ship of victimhood I'm addressing my general comments to you.

Oh, there's no victimhood here; what we're doing over here is a preventative action.

There was a time before when the influence of utter fuckheads (the White Wolf Swine) ended up derailing gaming as a hobby and damn near destroying the gaming influence.  That's not going to happen again. Not on my watch.

And for the Theory crowd to take over, its absolutely crucial that they be able to hide how much they actually hate regular Roleplaying games that most gamers love, because if the regular gamers knew how the Theory Swine really feel about them, they'd tell them to go fuck themselves.

So my job is to help make sure that regular gamers always know just what the Forge and Storygames people really think about them and the games they love.

RPGPundit

Pundit?

This is fucking pathetic.

It's a less-skilled replay of the Pistols At Dawn match they had a while back. That was very much like Hugh Grant and Colin Firth scrapping it out over Renee Zellweger, this is a bit like they'd gone off and had a few more pints and come back for another go.

...yeah, but scappier and a bit more sober.

This would be what ? The Breakfast Brawl after a night of drinks?


- Ed C.

Hey, I've been away for awhile, but I just found this thread and I've got some questions:

1) Who devised this thread's format/rules?

2) Do you consider yourself a part of the Forge community, such that when someone says "those Forge folks" or "you Forgies" or whatnot, you feel included in that designation?

3) Do you subscribe to the Theory devised at the Forge, such that when someone says "those Theory folks" or "you Theory Wankers" or whatnot, you feel included in that designation? Or such that when someone criticizes "the Theory" you feel they are criticizing your thought or point of view?

4) What RPGs have you played (as complete a list as you can remember)?

5) Practical question: you were saying Capes could use more guidance on playing (say) Batman and Superman together. . .what kind of advice would you give about that?

Peace,
-Joel

Quote from: Melinglor1) Who devised this thread's format/rules?

Pundit.  They're cool, huh?

Quote from: Melinglor2) Do you consider yourself a part of the Forge community, such that when someone says "those Forge folks" or "you Forgies" or whatnot, you feel included in that designation?

Sure.  I post with 'em, I hang with 'em, I've become friends with many of 'em.

Quote from: Melinglor3) Do you subscribe to the Theory devised at the Forge, such that when someone says "those Theory folks" or "you Theory Wankers" or whatnot, you feel included in that designation? Or such that when someone criticizes "the Theory" you feel they are criticizing your thought or point of view?

I subscribe to some bits of the theory that came from the Forge, and reject other bits.  I am, however, a big believer in the concept of theory ... of (as an old teacher of mine memorably put it) "thinking deeply of simple things," and that's usually enough to make me feel that I belong in a camp that gets labelled "you Theory Wankers" or the like.

Quote from: Melinglor4) What RPGs have you played (as complete a list as you can remember)?

Oh God.  Are you serious?  Everything I've played, including the convention games and one-night "let's try this out" things?  Okay ... let me find that alphabetical list of all RPGs ever published, and see what I've played:

AD&D, Adventures of Indiana Jones, After the Bomb, Agon, Albedo, Amber, Angel, Ars Magica, BESM, Brave New World, Breaking the Ice, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Bureau 13, Burning Empires, Burning Wheel, Call of Cthulhu, Capes, carry, Castle Falkenstein, Champions, Changeling (oWoD), Contenders, Covenant, Cyberpunk 2020, DC Heroes, Deryni Adventure Game, DitV, Dream Park, Dungeons and Dragons Basic&Expert, Everway, Extraordinary Adventures of Baron Munchausen, Fading Suns, FATE, Feng Shui, FUDGE, Gamma World, Ghostbusters, Godlike, Grey Ranks, GURPS, Heroes Unlimited, Hero's Banner, In Nomine, InSpectres, Kayfabe, Lace and Steel, Legend of the Five Rings, Macho Women with Guns, Mage (oWoD), Marvel Superheroes, Mechwarrior, Men in Black, MERPG, Mortal Coil, Mountain Witch, My Life with Master, Nephilim, Nobilis, Over the Edge, Paladin, Palladium Fantasy, Paranoia, Perfect, Polaris, PTA, Primitive, Psi World, Riddle of Steel, Rifts, Robotech, Sengoku, Shal-al-Hiri Roach, Shadow of Yesterday, Shadowrun, Shock, Shooting the Moon, Sorceror, Star Trek RPG, Star Wars, Tales from the Floating Vagabond, TMNT, TFOS, Tenra Bansho, Thousand and One Nights, Toon, Top Secret, Torg, Under the Bed, Universalis, Vampire (oWoD), Villains & Vigilantes, Werewolf (oWoD), With Great Power, Wraith (oWoD)

Sheesh.  Over thirty years the list really does stretch out.  I feel old.

Quote from: Melinglor5) Practical question: you were saying Capes could use more guidance on playing (say) Batman and Superman together. . .what kind of advice would you give about that?

Roughly:  If you set up a conflict where the likely outcomes are "Does your character shine in his niche, vs. Does your character prove incompetent even in his field" then you're likely to hook a player who has a strong vision for his character.  They'll spend resources (which means you'll gain resources) in order to defend their image of their character.  At the same time, the type of moral investment that the character shows will tell you something about why they are as they are ... you'll get to dig.  If Batman's issue with finding a stoolie on the docks is that people fear him, and he values that ... that is a really different thing from finding out that Superman's issue with diverting the meteor is that people count on him and he tries to live up to that.

It's really just the general advice of "Figure out what people want to stand up for, then give them a challenge that requires them to stand up for it," but specifically focussed to this (common) issue.

Quote from: TonyLBPundit.  They're cool, huh?

Bullshit. I suggested a thread where you were FORCED to actually answer the fucking questions. This thread is anything but.

RPGPundit

Quote from: TonyLBPundit.  They're cool, huh?

Yeah, they're pretty cool. They create this amazing tension; I remember reading as you answered the first passel of Pundit's questions and not remember ing what the page count was--I had this feeling: did he pass the test? Is the thread closed or not? And then scrolling down: he passed! Thread continues!

Follow-up: Have you recieved any indication from Jrients about how he feels you're doing in the thread? Any close calls, almost-closures?

Quote from: TonyLBSure.  I post with 'em, I hang with 'em, I've become friends with many of 'em.

I subscribe to some bits of the theory that came from the Forge, and reject other bits.  I am, however, a big believer in the concept of theory ... of (as an old teacher of mine memorably put it) "thinking deeply of simple things," and that's usually enough to make me feel that I belong in a camp that gets labelled "you Theory Wankers" or the like.

Follow-up: Is Ron Edwards your leader?

Quote from: TonyLBOh God.  Are you serious?

Heh heh. That was fun. I just wanted to see what kind of list you'd spit out. Follow-up: Which edition(s) of AD&D?

Peace,
-Joel