Lev Lafayette found this over at rpg.net:

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=181471d0-5456-4434-9f78-2f30ffc39459

"It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others"

I would have though McCain to be fully trad, but it sounds like he is going for the swine vote.

Well, to be fair, it was Michael Goldfarb doing the alienating, not John McCain.

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Quote from: Ian Absentia;236647Well, to be fair, it was Michael Goldfarb doing the alienating, not John McCain.

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That's how it reads to me too. Attention to detail and all that.


Walkerp, if you are going to play political reactionary to get attention, shouldn't you be choking that particular chicken over on RPGnet?

What the fuck? Talk about waaay outta left field.

It's like he'd been looking for a flimsy excuse to put D&D into a negative article for months.

Quote from: jeff37923;236651That's how it reads to me too. Attention to detail and all that.

Like I know or give a fuck who Michael Goldfag is. It's on McCain's website, so I'll take it that it represents his voice.

Quote from: jeff37923;236651Walkerp, if you are going to play political reactionary to get attention, shouldn't you be choking that particular chicken over on RPGnet?

Um, I found this over at rpg.net.  Attention to detail and all that.  Anyways, I posted it because I thought it was funny.  Others seemed to as well.

You know I really thought I had gotten rid of you.  I even didn't reput you on my ignore list after the forum switch.  Before I do that, I guess I must remind you once again that:



Okay, now off to the User CP...

It's not the first time he's done this apparently.

I sent an email to the blogger. I suggest we all do so. Remember, be polite!

Quote from: walkerp;236654- A Queenie Little Hissy Fit! -

Revenge!!!

Frank Mentzer got real bent out of shape the first time over on Dragonsfoot.

Let's be clear....the first time was in the NYT, now this time it's on McCain's website. If McCain doesn't KNOW what is being written about him and doesn't approve, that's no excuse. Especially from a guy asking the whole country to 'respect the memories' of his own little focus group. In fact, that kind of gross ignorance of your own campaign rhetoric sure doesn't make McCain look very capable of managing an administration.

Apparently, he's already made comments like these earlier, comparing the editors at the New York Times to bloggers "sitting at home in his mother's basement and ranting into the ether between games of Dungeons & Dragons."

He later apologized for the comment a few weeks ago, saying:

Quote from: Michael GoldfarbIf my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American.

But then here is, a few weeks later, pissing in my cheerios again.

I'll bet he plays Sorcerer.

Am I the only one who thinks Goldfarb might be a "closet gamer" who was disgusted by (and possibly banned from) RPG.net after posting on Tangency and finding out that most of his fellow gamers there are left-leaning? And now he has a hate-on for the entire hobby?

Anyways, as someone pointed out elsewhere, its probably a bad move for McCain, seeing as how there are a great number of Military Gamers, who (at least according to prevailing ideas) are supposed to be republican-voting, that could be offended by this.  Shit, its one of those nothing-to-gain-everything-to-lose scenarios.

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Quote from: shewolf;236665It's not the first time he's done this apparently.

I sent an email to the blogger. I suggest we all do so. Remember, be polite!

This is awesome:

We politely tell him he can fuck himself as long as he´s calling us liberals!

I like that, D&D-players not wanting to be equated with furries or liberals.

Just awesome.

Quote from: RPGPundit;236677Am I the only one who thinks Goldfarb might be a "closet gamer"

I think this might be close to the mark. Self-hating gamer as it were.

In his "apology" for the first disparaging remark he said: "This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American." Tongue-in-cheek, but it sounds like he knows what he is talking about. And why else would he make two references to D&D - a pretty obscure pastime - unless he had some personal involvement?

Maybe he felt burned by 4e.

I'm guessing he says "Dungeons & Dragons" for the name recognition.  It does seem stupid when D&Ders have traditionally been more libertarian-to-right-wing compared to most RPGers, and there are plenty of other games more played by lefties; notably World of Darkness.

I think his apology more than makes up for it.  That's some funny shit right there.

Quote from: walkerp;236654Like I know or give a fuck who Michael Goldfag is. It's on McCain's website, so I'll take it that it represents his voice.

"Goldfag?" Really? You don't think that's...nevermind. I'm sure it's nothing.

I think perhaps the assumption that because it appears on McCain's website, he tacitly approves of it, is politically naive. In every sort of media, there are people who speak for the candidate, over whom the candidate has little if any control over the moment-to-moment behaviors of. Every week, you'll see a new talking head on CNN, representing the candidate's views, until something comes out of that spokesperson's mouth that goes off the reservation and gets press attention; then they're quietly - or loudly, sometimes - removed from the public spotlight.

So make this get press attention; make the candidate himself [or at least people closer to him in the campaign chain-of-command] address you and your fellow Dungeons and Dragons players. Find out whether the alienation was the spokesperson's, or the candidate's. Turning the other roleplayers in anger is a good start, but that anger must be focused in order to be anything more constructive than furious and violent masturbation.