Is there Anyone On this Forum who LIKES Pres. Bush?

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[Koltar]

Clarify a little here.

 Do you mean "LIKE" or voted for  because the alternative was not a good idea?

 I "LIKE" his daughters,...and I REALLY LIKE Condoleeza Rice - but I don't think thats what you're really asking here.  Laura Ingraham seems like one that i could have a drink with or just shoot the breeze.


- Ed C.

[Sacrificial Lamb]

I didn't vote for Bush. His administration gives me the creeps.

[JamesV]

I voted for him the first time thinking that there's no way some Republican couldn't handle 4 to 8 quiet years of American prosperity. He'll keep taxes realtively low, and if he's the conservative he said he was, the deficit can still go down.

I was wrong, sue me.

The second time I voted for Kerry, just because I didn't want some stubborn fool at the wheel of the ship of state during the era of conflict we're still living in.

In the end I'd rather have a quiet peaceful nation with fairly low taxes, a fairly small army, a willingness to culture an educated citizenry, and a government that isn't so concerned with what consenting adults do with their genitals.

[Blackleaf]

Do you mean "LIKE" or voted for  because the alternative was not a good idea?

You might "like" a punch in the face more than a kick in the junk... but I don't think you actually like the punch in the face... do you?

[beeber]

i'd like to see him roasted alive, on a spit.  does that count?

[John Morrow]

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I voted for him twice and don't hate him, but I'm certainly pretty disappointed in some of the things he's done.  I'm quite pleased with his Supreme Court nominees, though, which is one of the main reasons why I voted for him.

Not sure I have time to get involved in prolonged political debates with you, though.  Good debates require facts and details rather than two people simply blathering opinions at each other and that can take a lot of time to do, especially if the topic keeps shifting.

[-E.]

I posted to the other thread, but I'll put in a note here:

I... okay... What John said. Except I'm willing to blather without facts, this being the Internet, and all.

Cheers,
-E.

[jeff37923]

Yes, I do.

[James J Skach]

I voted for Bush the first time because I think Gore is a moron.  Ok, I don't think he's a moron, but I didn't think he had the right combination. I thought that, as someone else said, Bush would cruise through a first term. I preferred a republican as it was a bit more likely that he would get through the next couple of years without resorting to a lot of government overshit for the looming financial slowdown that nobody seemed to want to talk about but was evident in 2000 when the tech bubble was in the process of popping.

When September 11th happened, I think he did a pretty good job of keeping the nation on track.  I never agreed with the "go on with your normal lives" approach, but I thought he handled Afghanistan properly.  I'm also a believer in the doctrine that he espoused that says the US should not take stability over democracy.

I agreed with his decision on Iraq, but not for the reasons that most people support. I also think it's a moot point now.  The real question is what is the best next step, not whether we should have gone in in the first place. I'm perfectly willing to argue about that if someone pushes; but I'm more interested in how people think the US should move forward.

I think Bush has allowed way too much spending. I think he got suckered by Kennedy with respect to Education. I think he's too loyal to people who have lost the ability to add value to the government.  I think he's crazy if he allows an immigration bill to pass that does not deal with border issues first.  I think he fucked up Iraq after 1 month, and it's taken four and a half years for the US to get back to it should have been. I think he let the overhaul of the forces outweigh the proper strategic decisions.

Do I like Bush? I don't know him as a person.  I was within about 100' of him at a rally in Western Michigan during the last election. I'm mixed on his policy decisions.

[jgants]

I voted for him the first time thinking that there's no way some Republican couldn't handle 4 to 8 quiet years of American prosperity. He'll keep taxes realtively low, and if he's the conservative he said he was, the deficit can still go down.

I was wrong, sue me.

The second time I voted for Kerry, just because I didn't want some stubborn fool at the wheel of the ship of state during the era of conflict we're still living in.

In the end I'd rather have a quiet peaceful nation with fairly low taxes, a fairly small army, a willingness to culture an educated citizenry, and a government that isn't so concerned with what consenting adults do with their genitals.

This is very close to how things went for me, except that I just didn't bother to vote in 2000 because I didn't particularly like Bush or Gore, and figured the country was doing so well at the time, that it wouldn't really matter who got elected.  Boy was I wrong.

[John Morrow]

This is very close to how things went for me, except that I just didn't bother to vote in 2000 because I didn't particularly like Bush or Gore, and figured the country was doing so well at the time, that it wouldn't really matter who got elected.  Boy was I wrong.

Well, the problem with these games is that we'll never know what kind of President Al Gore would have made or what he would have done about 9/11.  The same is true about John Kerry.  All we can do is guess.  

And as for the country doing well, there was plenty of evidence that we were dropping into a recession at the end of the Clinton presidency but the mainstream press didn't want to talk about that (just like they didn't talk about the homeless problem, the gap between rich and poor, and a host of other problems while Clinton was president, even though they were there and sometimes even worse than before his Presidency).  Did Bush's tax cuts, for example, play any roll in the mildness of the recession?  Would Gore have been able to manage it as well or better?  Again, that becomes a guessing game because we never get to see the alternative play out.

[Ian Absentia]

The person or the administration?

As a person, he represents the worst of showman candidacies and puppet presidencies.  As an administration, it represents the worst of ideogoguery over practical leadership.  On both counts, it's among the lows for US presidencies.

!i!

[John Morrow]

As a person, he represents the worst of showman candidacies and puppet presidencies.  As an administration, it represents the worst of ideogoguery over practical leadership.  On both counts, it's among the lows for US presidencies.

He's still been better for America that Jimmy Carter who presided over double-digit inflation, high unemployment, an oil shortage, neglected the military (talk to someone who served during the Carter years), failed to successfully negotiate a nuclear reduction treaty, gave up the Panama Canal, lost Iran to Islamic radicals and couldn't deal effectively with the hostage crisis, dealt with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan by boycotting the Moscow Olympics and started the funding of Islamic fundamentalist to resist the USSR that Reagan often solely gets blamed for, didn't prevent the Iran-Iraq war, didn't really do anything to bring order to Lebanon (are any of these countries sounding familiar yet?), and won a Nobel Prize for a peace treaty that got Anwar Sadat murdered and still hasn't produced peace.  If you look at the vast majority of trouble spots for the US now (including Korea), you'll often find a Carter policy or an event during the Carter presidency that contributed to it.

[jeff37923]

He's still been better for America that Jimmy Carter who presided over double-digit inflation, high unemployment, an oil shortage, neglected the military (talk to someone who served during the Carter years), failed to successfully negotiate a nuclear reduction treaty, gave up the Panama Canal, lost Iran to Islamic radicals and couldn't deal effectively with the hostage crisis, dealt with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan by boycotting the Moscow Olympics and started the funding of Islamic fundamentalist to resist the USSR that Reagan often solely gets blamed for, didn't prevent the Iran-Iraq war, didn't really do anything to bring order to Lebanon (are any of these countries sounding familiar yet?), and won a Nobel Prize for a peace treaty that got Anwar Sadat murdered and still hasn't produced peace.  If you look at the vast majority of trouble spots for the US now (including Korea), you'll often find a Carter policy or an event during the Carter presidency that contributed to it.

You forgot to mention how Carter cut the budget for both energy research and space exploration.