Well, I don't know since NC and Indiana, but up to that pojnt, Hillary had the popular vote. She also won important battleground states- Ohio, PA, Floirda - which puts her as more "electable".

Russert's math is right.  Hillary is now, for all practical purposes, elminated from the race; her continued presence is now part of a scheme to mitigate the inevitable backlash that will come from Obama's nominiation, making the transition from a primary election within the party to a general election as smooth as possible.

Quote from: shewolfWell, I don't know since NC and Indiana, but up to that pojnt, Hillary had the popular vote. She also won important battleground states- Ohio, PA, Floirda - which puts her as more "electable".

I actually hope she winds up with the popular vote.  It'd make arguments where people piss and moan about Gore winning the popular vote and losing the presidency a lot more interesting.

While we are on the subject of the elections, this looks like a remarkably bad idea.

Quote from: ThornhammerI actually hope she winds up with the popular vote.  It'd make arguments where people piss and moan about Gore winning the popular vote and losing the presidency a lot more interesting.

Except, of course, the so-called "popular vote" we're discussing here is tallied on a state-by-state basis, not in a national election.  And even then, there's only a "popular vote" in those states holding binding primaries instead of caucuses.  So, in the sense that it'd be roughly akin to comparing, if not apples to oranges then apples to pears, yeah, it might be kind of interesting.  Because it's always interesting to bring up the 2000 US presidential election.

!i!

Did anyone see the video of John Mccain and the teenager that wore the negative comment T-shirt?


It was quite interesting scene on several level - both negative and positive foir McCain. (and heck even for that 14 year old)

It was a "Town Hall" meeting for McCain. The girl was on stage with McCain. Her white T-shirt with black writing on it had a comment critical of McCain. Some of his supporters tried to block view of the girl from cameras covering the event . John noticed what was going on and instead promised the girl that she would get the first question of the event because: "These events are also for those that disagree with me."

The girl asked her question.
(With poise in an impressive way)

McCain kind of both answered her and evaded the question.

Interesting moment - He didn't mind dissent, stuck up for her right to have her say and even gave her the microphone. However, he didn't really answer her question.

I'll try to find an article or YouTube of that.

The kid has chutzpuh.  Hey - she gets to vote in the next election 4 years from now. Wonder if a reporter will look her up then...


- Ed C.

Her T-shirt said : John McCain does not represent me (or something similar)

Found it .....

Here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnzqpVWC2-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVx3AEyHq7g

- Ed C.

Who gives a fuck what a 14-year old thinks? Come back when you're old enough to vote. Better yet, come back when you're about 30.

I get so sick of this country treating children like what they think matters, especially when its clear her craggy, feminist mother a) put her up to it and b) put the idea into her head (no doubt from birth - and ain't THAT a miracle? Get her an "I survived Roe v. Wade" shirt instead!) that something that was settled 32 years ago matters. ERA is dead, get over it you old cow.

"For starters, she's only 14 years old..." Fuck you, hag - don't put her in the front row in a shirt that's guarented to attract the kind of attention your fossilized ass craves.

Man - just be glad I'm not tellin' ya what I REALLY think...

Quote from: WerekoalaWho gives a fuck what a 14-year old thinks? Come back when you're old enough to vote. Better yet, come back when you're about 30.

I get so sick of this country treating children like what they think matters, especially when its clear her craggy, feminist mother a) put her up to it and b) put the idea into her head (no doubt from birth - and ain't THAT a miracle? Get her an "I survived Roe v. Wade" shirt instead!) that something that was settled 32 years ago matters. ERA is dead, get over it you old cow.

"For starters, she's only 14 years old..." Fuck you, hag - don't put her in the front row in a shirt that's guarented to attract the kind of attention your fossilized ass craves.

Man - just be glad I'm not tellin' ya what I REALLY think...

edit: fuck it. yeah fight the power. with your fourteen year old daughter. who should be enjoying her childhood instead of being a political mouthpiece. way to go people. what's next, gonna pimp her out if you need some extra cash.  jesus.

dave

Quote from: WerekoalaI get so sick of this country treating children like what they think matters, especially when its clear her craggy, feminist mother a) put her up to it and b) put the idea into her head (no doubt from birth - and ain't THAT a miracle? Get her an "I survived Roe v. Wade" shirt instead!) that something that was settled 32 years ago matters. ERA is dead, get over it you old cow.

There is an interesting transition that happened at some point between the early 1960s and late 1980s when children went from being something to fear if they were given power (see the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life" with Bill Mumy, the "Lost in Space" episode "The Promised Planet", the classic Star Trek episodes "Miri", "And The Children Shall Lead", and "Charlie X") to being the smartest members of their family and fountains of intelligence and wisdom.  And this 1996 incident was probably one of the low points.

Quote from: John MorrowThere is an interesting transition that happened at some point between the early 1960s and late 1980s when children went from being something to fear if they were given power (see the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life" with Bill Mumy, the "Lost in Space" episode "The Promised Planet", the classic Star Trek episodes "Miri", "And The Children Shall Lead", and "Charlie X") to being the smartest members of their family and fountains of intelligence and wisdom.  And this 1996 incident was probably one of the low points.

Personally, I absolutely hate how society treats children today.  



First off, it's so schizophrenic.  

You can't drive or work until 16, smoke or vote until 18, drink until 21, or rent a car until 25.  Yet we have no problem shipping out 18 year olds to die in war (even against their will), put 12 year olds in prison for life, or even try to execute offenders under 18.

Then we constantly sexualize children with advertising, clothing styles, etc - then act horrified at the thought of anyone under 18 even having hormones.  If you dress your 10 year old like a prostitute, you shouldn't be shocked when they end up getting a STD at 12 and are dating a 30 year old guy at age 16.

Could we please get consistent already?!  :rolleyes:


Second, I'm so tired of the "children are the future" rubbish.

Your kid isn't special.  He's a short moron who probably eats dirt and does little more than annoy everyone who isn't obligated as a relation to tolerate him.  

Having a kid isn't special.  To quote Bill Maher, it's "something even a dog can do".

The whole world shouldn't revolve around protecting people's precious little angels from anything remotely resembling real life.

A hundred years ago, the death of a child was a tragedy but not all that unexpected.  Today, even the idea of a child getting a skinned knee from acting like an idiot is reason to infringe upon the rights of the rest of us.

I should be able to buy what I want, do what I want, watch what I want, and listen to whatever I want without having to listen to whiny, overprotective parents complain that we need to "think of the children".

Bull.  Kids need to stop being protected and kicked out of the nest earlier.  I know people in their 20's and even early 30's who still live with their parents because they were treated like a baby for so long, they have no concept whatsoever of self-reliance.

I say, f*@& the children!  If they want to inherit the Earth, they're going to have to wait in f#*@ing line.  :rant:

Quote from: John MorrowAnd this 1996 incident was probably one of the low points.

I think you're looking at a very different phenomenon there, John, and it's remarkably similar to the one I see emerging at my son's Little League games on occasion -- the parent living vicariously through the prodigal child.

I think the better example, if anyone really wants to hash on "kids these days" would be "Lizzy Maguire" (which is rapidly becoming out-of-date, as the children who watched it are already becoming young adults), or possibly "Hanna Montana".  Shows where the children are precocious, clever, and hip, while the vast majority of adults they come into contact with are high-functioning retards whom the children suffer with barely-concealed contempt.  Make no mistake, though -- these shows are conceived, written, and produced by adults.  So who's to blame?

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI think you're looking at a very different phenomenon there, John, and it's remarkably similar to the one I see emerging at my son's Little League games on occasion -- the parent living vicariously through the prodigal child.

I agree with your analysis, but the press took it seriously and only after she died started really questioning what was going on.  The press, like you looking at those parents at the Little League games, should have wondered what was really going on there.