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In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

Yeah. In 1985, they had Brigitte Nielsen portraying Red Sonja as a strong fighter - not just in martial arts, but even in lifting. In the same year, Grace Jones was portrayed a tremendously strong rival of James Bond. It's not something new in 2023.

Fantasy movies have always had lots of unrealistic shit in them, including unrealistic fighters.

  Red Sonja is 6 feet tall.  Grace's character was not in any way the same type of fighter as RBF rodriguez, she got man handled by Boombatta and had to be saved by Conan.   It was poor casting to put a tiny woman as the brute tossing men around.  Period.  Plenty of better choices, even if female to fill that role.

Like Gina Carano, but she's verbotten.

Yeah, it's n ot that Rodriguez is a wahmen, it's that she's tiny and thin. You'd need a tall muscular woman in the role.

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In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

Yeah. In 1985, they had Brigitte Nielsen portraying Red Sonja as a strong fighter - not just in martial arts, but even in lifting. In the same year, Grace Jones was portrayed a tremendously strong rival of James Bond. It's not something new in 2023....

To me, the problem is that it's become practically mandatory. In the 80s, the damsel in distress was still a common trope. Nowadays it's so uncommon that it's a breath of fresh air.

QuoteAs of April 21, 2023, Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves has grossed $78.2 million in the United States and Canada, and $83.9 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $162.1 million.

So, the film has grossed ~97 million (assuming that Hasbro got the normal 60% of the ticket sales... but it could be less if Hasbro didn't have as good as contract as the other big players) on a budget of $150 million to make (and a reasonable estimate of an additional $100 million to promote).

It tanked.

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QuoteAs of April 21, 2023, Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves has grossed $78.2 million in the United States and Canada, and $83.9 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $162.1 million.

So, the film has grossed ~97 million (assuming that Hasbro got the normal 60% of the ticket sales... but it could be less if Hasbro didn't have as good as contract as the other big players) on a budget of $150 million to make (and a reasonable estimate of an additional $100 million to promote).

It tanked.

Piked the WORST window to release, stupid people opening their traps about "emasculating the male leads", right after ALL the bad blood GWotKKK has been generating...

I think they should have waited to next week to release, Mario would still be getting the megabucks but HaT wouldn't be suffering so much from it taking away it's audience.

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In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

Yeah. In 1985, they had Brigitte Nielsen portraying Red Sonja as a strong fighter - not just in martial arts, but even in lifting. In the same year, Grace Jones was portrayed a tremendously strong rival of James Bond. It's not something new in 2023.

Fantasy movies have always had lots of unrealistic shit in them, including unrealistic fighters.

  Red Sonja is 6 feet tall.  Grace's character was not in any way the same type of fighter as RBF rodriguez, she got man handled by Boombatta and had to be saved by Conan.   It was poor casting to put a tiny woman as the brute tossing men around.  Period.  Plenty of better choices, even if female to fill that role.

eh, she looks the part and this is D&D we are talking about where 3ft tall people can throw around normal people even.
The more pressing problem is the agendas behind some of the writing and the fact the writers were outrage marketing. Says nothing good about the show when they think so little of it they believe essentually clickbait is needed to sell tickets.

I saw it last night. The music was appropriately Celtic-ish. The story was fine.

I am not into martial arts, so little Michelle Rodriguez throwing around tall, armored soldiers didn't bother me. I was surprised that she was shown being punched in the face more than once, but she is a fighter, and that happens when you fight. I liked that she grabbed whatever was close at hand to fight, when she didn't have a weapon.

Chris Pine's character made some bad decisions in his past, and now has to face the consequences. He doesn't shy away from his own culpability (not too much), but does what he can to correct. He is the "heart" of the group, to use a tvtropes concept. He keeps the band together and encourages each of his team members to keep pressing on. He doesn't use magic; he does play the lute, which he also uses as a weapon. The one real problem I noticed with his character being a bard is that he is the one character who *doesn't* know about a famous paladin.

It's kind of funny that WoTC recently announce they would have no more half races, while one of the main characters in the movie is a half-elf. Does this mean the movie isn't canon?

The villain was appropriately creepy, and the end battle was impressive.

There is no porn in this movie, not even a hint of it. All the relationships are heteronormative, as they say. The main characters are monogamous. Even death cannot stop true love, or something. Pine's character and Rodriguez's character are extremely platonic with each other. The bard still pines for his deceased wife, and has to decide whether what he wants or what his daughter needs is more important. Rodriguez is still in love with her estranged husband.

Greetings!

I once knew a woman that was the Loss Prevention Manager for a huge department store. She was 6'6" and probably 250 or 300-lbs. She was *big* to say the least. She was a nice woman, though there does seem to be a thing with really tall, big women--it is not that they are necessarily ugly--some of them are, some aren't. In any case though, very few of them would be considered "Hollywood Ready".

Unfortunately for such women, many of them are just not that photogenic.

Having said that, however, I knew some girls at my university, they were the cheer squad for the teams. *THEY* were all total *SMOKE SHOWS*--and, while hot girls are everywhere on my college campus, these girls were all as tall or taller than I am. The shortest of them was 5'10", and the rest were all between that and I'd say 6'4" for the tallest. Most of them were probably 6-feet or 6'2". All *SMOKE SHOWS*

That doesn't mean they were physically jacked though. They were certainly in  fantastic physical shape--for women. They wouldn't be throwing men around though, that's for sure, despite the fact that they were tall, and in excellent physical condition, for women.

I imagine it is probably very challenging to actually find and cast a woman that is well, 6'0" or taller, and *jacked*. That kind of woman could at east be imagined doing some physical stuff with men. Then, you have the problem of even if you could find a woman like that--here are a few around--that doesn't mean that she can act successfully, remember her lines right, and so on.

That cuts down the pool even further. So, I guess you get what you get.

Michelle Rodriguez is a decent actor, and a reasonably attractive woman, even if she is 40. She's looking damn good. But yeah...her throwing men warriors around? *Laughing*

I knew women in the Marine Corps that were smoking hot, and in *ELITE* physical condition. Probably the top 10% of all women in America. While they could run, and dance, and bend themselves into pretzels--they still could not throw us male Marines around. Not a chance. ZERO. Marine Infantry would have eaten them alive and made them look absolutely wrecked in *seconds* Just like we have seen video clips of a few Marine women or Army women stupid enough to step into the ring with a man, and the women get fucking blasted and knocked the fuck silly in less than 60 seconds.

That's the harsh reality.

Still, for a silly fantasy movie, as I said, it is probably a real challenge to find a woman that checks all the boxes and maximizes that believability factor. So, yeah, we get what we get.*Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Being able to bend yourself into a pretzel is a not common enough attribute among women IMHO.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2023, 01:40:31 AM
Being able to bend yourself into a pretzel is a not common enough attribute among women IMHO.

That's a salty take

Quote from: SHARK on April 24, 2023, 10:14:58 PMStill, for a silly fantasy movie, as I said, it is probably a real challenge to find a woman that checks all the boxes and maximizes that believability factor. So, yeah, we get what we get.*Laughing*

I'm of the opinion that it you can't find an actress to portray the character correctly, then just rewrite the characters. If they couldn't find a Jade Cargill who could act, put the actress in magic armor with a magic long sword and call it a day. It would be more lore accurate to D&D that way anyway.

Just let Samantha Swords do you costume design for you:

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2023, 01:40:31 AM
Being able to bend yourself into a pretzel is a not common enough attribute among women IMHO.

That's a salty take

Nope, it's a wistful take.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2023, 01:40:31 AM
Being able to bend yourself into a pretzel is a not common enough attribute among women IMHO.

Greetings!

Yes, my friend! I agree entirely! It's a sad state of affairs when there are so few women that cannot bend themselves into a pretzel! *Laughing*

It's strange, though. Back in the day, I knew many women that prided themselves on their abilities at bending themselves into pretzels! Nowadays, *Laughing* Trying to do so would cause most of them to have a stroke or something.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 25, 2023, 01:40:31 AM
Being able to bend yourself into a pretzel is a not common enough attribute among women IMHO.

Greetings!

Yes, my friend! I agree entirely! It's a sad state of affairs when there are so few women that cannot bend themselves into a pretzel! *Laughing*

It's strange, though. Back in the day, I knew many women that prided themselves on their abilities at bending themselves into pretzels! Nowadays, *Laughing* Trying to do so would cause most of them to have a stroke or something.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Never mind who wants to see most of modern wahmen bent into a pretzel (or not)?

Well, at this point I think it's safe to say it did tank:

Grosses
Domestic (46.5%) $83,262,439
International (53.5%) $95,800,000
Worldwide $179,062,439

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1879410177/

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 27, 2023, 03:14:48 PM
Well, at this point I think it's safe to say it did tank:

Grosses
Domestic (46.5%) $83,262,439
International (53.5%) $95,800,000
Worldwide $179,062,439

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1879410177/

And it didn't have to.

Absent the OGL debacle and the nonsense spouted by WoTC staff and by the movie directors (or promoters or whatever they were), and, perhaps, the unfortunate nearness of Mario's movie release date and that of the John Wick movie, and the marketing that made it seem like another Marvel-style movie that I suspect people are growing tired of, it would have done well. A greater percentage of people might have gone a second time, bringing their friends.

Not a summer blockbuster, but a fun popcorn movie.

A very safe movie, if I might be so bold. Very little in the movie itself to offend anyone, really.