Quote from: HappyDaze;1111772So the lesson here might be to beware of ladyboys.

Bwahahahahahahaha I see what you did there! :cool:

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1111753Your error is to think I'm talking as a fan, I'm not, I'm talking as a consumer:

I buy product X, that was advertised as product X, but when I open the package it really is product Y.

I'm not sure which products you're talking about here. Certainly in the case of the Batwoman series, I think the advertising seemed to pretty well match what was in the series.

I'm not all that familiar with DC and Marvel comic advertising -- but my impression is that content today is not surprising to most customers. That doesn't necessarily mean they're satisfied, but rather they generally know what to expect, or they at least *should* know what to expect. (Personally, my superhero comic reading is pretty limited. I'll read Astro City, and only a few specific lines of DC or Marvel if they're recommended by friends.)

Quote from: jhkim;1111780I'm not sure which products you're talking about here. Certainly in the case of the Batwoman series, I think the advertising seemed to pretty well match what was in the series.

I'm not all that familiar with DC and Marvel comic advertising -- but my impression is that content today is not surprising to most customers. That doesn't necessarily mean they're satisfied, but rather they generally know what to expect, or they at least *should* know what to expect. (Personally, my superhero comic reading is pretty limited. I'll read Astro City, and only a few specific lines of DC or Marvel if they're recommended by friends.)

Was it  tho?

Was it advertised as a woke snorefest? The woke could be overlooked if it was interesting/fun and well written, it's not.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1111772So the lesson here might be to beware of ladyboys.

*ba-dum-tish*

Quote from: jhkim;1111780I'm not sure which products you're talking about here. Certainly in the case of the Batwoman series, I think the advertising seemed to pretty well match what was in the series.

I'm not all that familiar with DC and Marvel comic advertising -- but my impression is that content today is not surprising to most customers. That doesn't necessarily mean they're satisfied, but rather they generally know what to expect, or they at least *should* know what to expect. (Personally, my superhero comic reading is pretty limited. I'll read Astro City, and only a few specific lines of DC or Marvel if they're recommended by friends.)

The "superhero/comic book" umbrella is pretty damn broad too. Ask 10 different fans what it means, you'll likely get 15 different answers so if you have a very specific set of tastes and expectation there's a good chance, realistically that'll you'll be disappointed. It's not a plot or something to make "bad shows" on purpose you're just not part of the audience the writers aimed or intended their product for. Its that audience is too small, then the program won't do well no matter much I or anyone else might love it (I've lost track of how many shows I really liked the bit the big one), if it is wide then I'll last regardless of how I or any other few views may hate it.

The superhero show is, despite the current popularity indicated by films a pretty niche genre. With allot of variability among its consumers. Unfortunately, that aggravated by some meta issues like seemingly omni-present culture wars.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1111656Not trying to change the subject as this is all of CW's fault.  I hate what they done in Riverdale which is a complete violation of every thing Archie.  It just pisses me off to see something wholesome get dragged through the gutters to become more dark and gritty.  I mean what the fuck?

Feel the same about Riverdale. That and its "self aware" gag gets really old like instantly for me.
It seems more based on some of the modern spin offs that get rather ugly. Didnt IDW butcher the IP at one point?

Quote from: Omega;1111851Feel the same about Riverdale. That and its "self aware" gag gets really old like instantly for me.
It seems more based on some of the modern spin offs that get rather ugly. Didnt IDW butcher the IP at one point?

No idea.  I am just wondering why couldn't they just make a good wholesome Archie tv show.  At this time it might be legendary because it would be so different from the rest of the shows today.  A wholesome show featuring high school friends...  Gee I wonder if the world is ready for second coming of Happy Days?  I know I am.

Well saw first episode of Batwoman.

What a mess.
They really dont want anyone forgetting shes a lesbian do they? Why is she the standard cliche butch lesbian that could just about pass for a guy?

So lets get this straight. She hates Batman because... Batman failed to rescue them and her mother and sister died? How did Batman fail to rescue them? He left them. Oh and why did he leave them? Because... he thought he had saved them... no... really. Oh and Batman has apparently abandoned Gotham according to her?

And on and on and on. So much wasted potential. So much disrespect for the characters. But eh, its essentially a TV show and that really is par for the course.

Saw the 1st episode. Not bad, nothing that particularly wow'ed me but watchable and I enjoyed the time. Kate struck me as an interesting character. Her orientation was an aspect of her that wasn't smashed over your head but wasn't hidden or use for titillation value alone. I was interested in her motives and relationships between the characters. I liked her resentment of Batman and her affection for her cousin Bruce and how it resolved without Batman being an careless asshole for no apparent reason that day. Alice is a fair poor man's Joker, not as good as the Clown Prince, but who is?

I don't know if I'll go out my way to watch the series, but I might grab it on video.

One amusing things is that I've seen some share Omega's complaint that Kate is too Butch, others that she's too much of a Lipstick Lesbian. Tastes are always going to be all over the place

Quote from: CarlD.;1112034One amusing things is that I've seen some share Omega's complaint that Kate is too Butch, others that she's too much of a Lipstick Lesbian. Tastes are always going to be all over the place

Its not so much a complaint that she is butch. Its fairly common with lesbians I have known and other friends know. My irk is that it is rather cliche. Mind you she is ex military so it makes sense in context. But she nearly comes across as a trans rather than a lesbian at times.

I am curious how later episodes will go. But that first one was just not my thing. And first episide seen can have a big impact on liking or disliking a series. ST:TNG was very much that for me. Pickard in the early episodes and most of first season was mostly a turn-off for me. Whereas Voyager was the exact opposite. I liked the first season and some of the 2nd. But eventually came to very much dislike Janeway due to how they kept writing her so badly.

Quote from: Omega;1112064But she nearly comes across as a trans rather than a lesbian at times.

I don't think this could possibly be true.

Quote from: Omega;1112064Its not so much a complaint that she is butch. Its fairly common with lesbians I have known and other friends know. My irk is that it is rather cliche. Mind you she is ex military so it makes sense in context. But she nearly comes across as a trans rather than a lesbian at times.

She never struck me as trans, but eye of the Beholder (does bad things to you if you miss your save).

My only complaint about how she looks is the overdone chaotic mess of tattoos she has. That those are a feature of the actress rather than the character is not a plus.

Quote from: CarlD.;1112075She never struck me as trans, but eye of the Beholder (does bad things to you if you miss your save).

I've heard it remarked that she has been mistaken for Justin Beiber in the past.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1112081I've heard it remarked that she has been mistaken for Justin Beiber in the past.

Take a ll kinds, I mean I've seen that video game character Chun-li described as being too mannish.