Quote from: James J SkachHow about Brian Gleichman?

Now he comes here, long history of posting at both The Forge and RPGNet, right? The guy has written what are IMHO interesting things on analyzing games and design theory; things like "Elements of Tactics" and "Layers of Design." He was posting about game theory when forums were in usenet groups.

Oh...and he dislikes Pundit. Calls him "mirror-swine" and things like that.

Did he now?

Gleichman is awesome. I love his work. I miss him a lot.

Late last year I checked the rpg advocacy group for the first time in my life, and he and a few others of the original gang seemed to have been regrouping. It was kinda touching, actually.

Yeah, I think they are gathering again.  I was planning on checking it out one of these days.

I'd give you a link, CA, but it seems to be broken at the moment.

I'm not sure who he is or was, I literally didn't encounter him until he posted some (IMHO awesome) stuff here. I'm not sure if he published anything I could point to, other than these papers I found at this site. But like I said, that link is giving me some Comcast personal page error. Fortunately, I downloaded them into Word, so I'd be happy to provide the ones I have if anyone wants them. Unless gleichman comes here himself to tell me not to.

For those of you just ragging on Pundit for being an ass - well, you've got no shortage of ammunition, and I support the effort.  It just seemed odd that it appeared to be brought about because of Cessna. For those of you not caring if it's Cessna or not, my apologies.

I'm curious, is the issue that he's being a dick because of this grudge, or just being a dick in general? If it's the former, are there other grudges for which Pundit will be called to account if he's a dick?  Ya know, just so we can be consistent...

EDIT: Irony wins.  His articles are still up at RPGNet.

Gleichman essentially withdrew his material from the internet after some heated discussions, shall we say, on the Forge.

Some of his stuff is available on rpg.net:

http://www.rpg.net/columns/list-column.phtml?colname=elements

Quote from: James J SkachIf it's the former, are there other grudges for which Pundit will be called to account if he's a dick?  Ya know, just so we can be consistent...

I'm pretty sure Bruce Baugh is on his shit list...

Regards,
David R

Quote from: James J SkachI'm curious, is the issue that he's being a dick because of this grudge,

This is the root of it for me. Grudges are stupid in my opinion and subtract from my enjoyment of the site. I find them disruptive. Combine that with the other item I mentioned and it is distasteful.

Quote from: James J Skachor just being a dick in general? If it's the former, are there other grudges for which Pundit will be called to account if he's a dick?  Ya know, just so we can be consistent...

For me, this is lesser although I am a fan of good manners and restraint. I am not going to call him on it since it is of little consequence. Personally, I would rag on him for his hate-on with the Forge and RPG.Net. Mind, I agree with a number of points he has about the Forge but there is disagreeing (post in response to a "What is the Forge" with "They Suck and Here is Why") with them, then there is scary delusional "They are carrying on a war to destroy all that is holy in MY hobby. Gather unto me minions!"). However, this would also be a full time job and take away from me posting to RPG threads. If you wish to take up the banner of following Pundit and others around, posting to every thread they post to, telling them just how big a dicks they are being, well, good luck with that. I will try and post more to the excellent RPG threads.

Bill

I was mostly amused and speaking because of Pundit's hypocrisy. "I drop all baggage now, and welcome him with open arms." moments later... "blah fucking blah proaganda blah don't be a wuss blah." Pundit lashing out at someone is nothing new. Pundit being a complete and total ass to anyone who fails to properly tickle his ego's testicles is nothing new. Actually, the hypocrisy is nothing new either, but I've been avoiding his threads even after he dropped the "run and hide from James" BS, so I haven't seen any in a while.

Quote from: James J SkachI'm curious, is the issue that he's being a dick because of this grudge, or just being a dick in general? If it's the former, are there other grudges for which Pundit will be called to account if he's a dick?  Ya know, just so we can be consistent...

He was called to account back when he started three grudge threads that were explicitly "not about Borgstrom" but called her a moron in the thread title becaues of his grudges. He's been called on it when he accuses posters of having agendas and attacking him in every post when it's plain to see that most of their talk is about games. I'm sure he'll be called on it again in the future.

Of course, it won't matter, because there's no way to potty train a walking pile of shit without flushing him whole, to continue someone else's metaphor for the situation.

Well, I've been reading some Gleichman articles.

And that's very nice insight, but how does it help me in my session-to-session play? Right now, I'm happier Rotwang! is here. That Funnel shit he does?

PURE. GOLD.


EDIT: Also, this Gleichman fellow seems to talk often (in a "how I used this tidbit" sense) about a game called Age of Heroes, about which Google tells me little.

EDIT EDIT: Found an RPG.net review. Thanks, I've got enough D&D.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Especially miniature-focused D&D, called 'Age of Heroes' (which makes me think Achilles, Odysseus, et al) yet based in the same Middle Dark Iron Ages pablum every other fucking fantasy game is based in.

Quote from: TonyLBUh ... why are you addressing of this from a Moderator's perspective?  

I'm not.

Quote from: TonyLBI don't think that anyone is suggesting rules that would forbid Pundit from acting like a doink.  People are saying "In my opinion, he acted like a doink, and I'm gonna say so."

Except you're not. People who called him names did that. Then there are the folks talking about why he shouldn't have had to go through the situation that he did, that Cessna should be able to expect to be treated fairly and welcomed.

And,again, given the state of moderation, why?

Edit: Ah, English.

Seanchai

"Popularity forever..."

Why'd you post that?

Quote from: HinterWeltFor me, it is not about Cessna but trying to potty train Pundit.

Again, I'm new and not familar with the history of the site, but isn't this board his, to do with what he will? Or does he look after it for someone else? Or something similar.

Seanchai

Quote from: Christmas ApeWell, I've been reading some Gleichman articles.

And that's very nice insight, but how does it help me in my session-to-session play? Right now, I'm happier Rotwang! is here. That Funnel shit he does?

PURE. GOLD.

Oh, we miscommunicated.  I did not mean to say that he (gleichman) is good for everyone or for session-to-session stuff.  I liked it solely for the analysis of design issues that wasn't all caught up in player types and agendas.  It was the kind of design discussion I personally was slanted towards - how do these changes in mechanics effect the flow of the game, etc.

I, too, love Doc's stuff. I'm playing more now, and at some point hope to get back in to running games, and I'm sure I'll be stealing liberally from the genius sprinkled around here.  With or without gleichman or Cessna.

I don't know about Age of Heroes, so I can't comment.

Quote from: HinterWeltThis is the root of it for me. Grudges are stupid in my opinion and subtract from my enjoyment of the site. I find them disruptive. Combine that with the other item I mentioned and it is distasteful.

For me, this is lesser although I am a fan of good manners and restraint. I am not going to call him on it since it is of little consequence. Personally, I would rag on him for his hate-on with the Forge and RPG.Net. Mind, I agree with a number of points he has about the Forge but there is disagreeing (post in response to a "What is the Forge" with "They Suck and Here is Why") with them, then there is scary delusional "They are carrying on a war to destroy all that is holy in MY hobby. Gather unto me minions!"). However, this would also be a full time job and take away from me posting to RPG threads. If you wish to take up the banner of following Pundit and others around, posting to every thread they post to, telling them just how big a dicks they are being, well, good luck with that. I will try and post more to the excellent RPG threads.

Bill

You know me well enough now, Bill, to know that I like to try to break things down to their most granular meaningful elements.  So I'm just trying to get a handle on why people got so upset over Cessna.

I'm realizing that it wasn't so much about Cessna as a confluence of him being the one "chased away" at the time people were getting sick of Pundit. If that's all it was, s'all cool with me.

I wonder if there was a mirror TheRPGSite started by someone, but without Pundit as anything other than troll, would ya'll go there to chat?

Quote from: David RA lot of folks here disagree with the mod policy over there, it just that we don't feel the need to go on about it over here...

Except I don't know that I'd say folks are going on about it. It's germane to the subject of this thread. If folks were inserting their views into threads not related to TBP, then I could see your point...

Seanchai