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Quote from: JimBobOzSomeone like Dominus Nox is not reasonable, and he is essentialy cruel, as all blatant racists are.

But that's just your opinion. There are plenty of people who agree with Nox and who think his views are just fine. I'm not one, but...

Quote from: JimBobOzCessna is neither unreasonable, nor malicious, and so deserves respect.

Did you see some of the judgements he passed down? And he certainly was one of the moderators who got off

Quote from: JimBobOzIt's now years later - it's way past time to let it go. Let it go.

If talking about it constitutes not letting go, take your own advice, dude.

Quote from: JimBobOzI mention it to illustrate some other point, not to justify hostility against some harmless person online.

Now he's "harmless"? What is he going to be next, a saint in a wheelchair?

You misunderstand. My banning per se isn't justification for any lack of respect for Cessna. I had problems with him and the other moderators long, long before I was banned. This has to do with his actions, not his actions against me.

Quote from: JimBobOzI assure you that Cessna has not been given any special consideration here.

That's not what I've seen.

Seanchai

Quote from: Christmas ApeBut I'd been led to believe that Pundit in fact welcomed contributions to the board, that he wanted some people who like roleplaying games to come to his unmoderated board and talk about roleplaying games.

In truth, this can only apply if you were not in any way involved in his banning from rpg.net, which is clearly not only Serious Fucking Business (like all drama) but apparently the focal point in his life.

Except what has Pundit done to drive Cessna away that folks haven't done to Nox or could do to any other poster? It's not like Pundit is saying any one can come for unmoderated discussion and then banning the folks he doesn't like.

There's no double standard that I can see.

Seanchai

Quote from: David RHonestly Dan, my take on the situation with Grubman and Wick is that neither of them were made to feel unwelcome.

So...the site is unmoderated, you're allowed to say what you will, etc., as long as you're fair and make others feel welcome?

Seanchai

Quote from: SeanchaiSo...the site is unmoderated, you're allowed to say what you will, etc., as long as you're fair and make others feel welcome?

Uh ... why are you addressing of this from a Moderator's perspective?  I don't think that anyone is suggesting rules that would forbid Pundit from acting like a doink.  People are saying "In my opinion, he acted like a doink, and I'm gonna say so."

You keep saying "Ah!  But who decides what is fair and unfair, what is tolerable and what is not?", like it's a huge and troublesome question.  But it's really not.  We're not trying to form a vast consensus which is Always Right In All Things.  We're posting our personal opinions on the behavior of our fellows.  So who decides?  Each and every one of us, as individuals.

Is there something wrong with that?

Quote from: SeanchaiSo...the site is unmoderated, you're allowed to say what you will, etc., as long as you're fair and make others feel welcome?

Oh, boo-fucking-hoo.  No, as per Pundit's executive decision, you're free to be a jackass if you see fit, and you will, likely as not, get called to the floor for it.  Pundit's (and others') inability to get over the acrimony that started with his antagonistic stint at RPG.net doesn't rise much higher than Nox's inability to get over his ignorance, paranoia, and bigotry.  And here we are, saying so.  I'm more interested in Cessna's opinions on gaming than Pundit's.

!i!

How about Brian Gleichman?

Now he comes here, long history of posting at both The Forge and RPGNet, right? The guy has written what are IMHO interesting things on analyzing games and design theory; things like "Elements of Tactics" and "Layers of Design." He was posting about game theory when forums were in usenet groups.

Oh...and he dislikes Pundit. Calls him "mirror-swine" and things like that.

So what happens? Of course he crosses words with Pundy. And sooner or later he decides to leave (as he had left The Forge and RPGNet before). He claimed he had stated up front it was all just a test to see if he liked the place, and that Pundit's influence caused him to decide otherwise.

How did you all react then?

Well, here's our great orator of standards:

Quote from: JimBobOzDear Gleichman,

It's just chatting on the internet. Relax. Grow the fuck up, you drongo.

Love,
JimBobOz

And:

Quote from: Mcrowgleichman is kinda like cartman form south park. Every couple weeks he's stomps off saying "Screw you guys. I'm going home." , and says he wont be back.

There's mocking and references to bets placed on how long gleichman will stay, and similar stuff.  All of the reaction is perfectly valid and possibly justified by his history in other places.

Now how does that stand against the discussion with respect to Cessna?

Quote from: JimBobOzDon't be a cocksmock, RPGPundit.

Quote from: JimBobOzBut he's a person - not just some internet name - and he and his efforts at rpg.net are well worthy of respect. As an rpg.net mod and admin, he has made wrong decisions - but he is a reasonable and sensible person, and the poor guy quite obviously had only time for one hobby, moderating rpg.net or roleplaying - foolishly, out of a sense of obligation, he chose the moderating - another wrong decision, but a human one.

Quote from: McrowAll I have to say is this stupid-ass vendetta is getting real old.

Why must Pundy continue to rail against the big purple?

It's getting to the point where he is getting delusional and paranoid, no joke.

Now granted, I don't know if Mcrow is angry about Cessna in particular, or just a general dislike of Pundy's stupidity. But it's sure a difference from the reaction to gleichman.

What's the difference? It's certainly not about talking about games – go back and look at some of the stuff gleichman posted – it's solid stuff on game design. So it must be something else.

Could it be whether or not the person leaving is liked by the individual who is now complaining about Pundit's behavior? That's OK; it's perfectly valid to want the people you like to stay.  I wish gleichamn would have stayed.

But this high and mighty shit because Pundit dissed someone you like is a bullshit hypocrisy.

I may have piled in a little, I don't recall, but I don't remember giving a shit about Gleichman. They seemed to have some ancient grudge I wasn't interested in. This, though, was about The Ban. I'm very tired of hearing about The Ban. Do you know why I'm sick to death of The Ban?

Because I want theRPGSite to be about more than where Pundit got banned.

That's it, man. I love this place. But every revolution carries with it the seeds of its own destruction.

I guess my point is, CA, would you have cared if gleichman was the one removed because of the Pundit's stupid inability to let it go? If so, by all means, rail against Pundit's stupid inability to let it go. That's a question only you can answer for yourself.

But to claim Cessna deserved some kind of special dispensation for the greater good of the site is, as I said, silly.

I appreciated Gleichman's posts. We had a couple of good discussions. He had issues with the Pundit even before Pundit took over this site. And if I remember correctly during the Nutkinland days he wasn't exactly popular with the admins at the time. I think they may have once messed with his account as they usually do, when someone pissed them off. So there is some backstory with Brian.

I don't think that I was calling for special dispensation for Cessna. But I do think it's good for this site if some folks here fued with tBP ended esp the fued amongst certain members. A lot of folks here disagree with the mod policy over there, it just that we don't feel the need to go on about it over here...which you are perfectly within your rights to do, but it's not doing the site any good in the long run.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: James J SkachI guess my point is, CA, would you have cared if gleichman was the one removed because of the Pundit's stupid inability to let it go? If so, by all means, rail against Pundit's stupid inability to let it go. That's a question only you can answer for yourself.

But to claim Cessna deserved some kind of special dispensation for the greater good of the site is, as I said, silly.

I do not know about others but I was never claiming such. I don't like it when anyone carries a grudge and acts as Pundit did. It is unproductive and not entertaining. I hope you realize how very frustrating it is when someone takes your well meant advice and twists it to suit their own ends as Pundit did. It is annoying and petty. If I saw it elsewhere I would protest it as much as here. For me, it is not about Cessna but trying to potty train Pundit.

Bill

I honestly don't know.

Who the fuck, in RPG terms, is Brian Gleichman?

Quote from: Christmas ApeI honestly don't know.

Who the fuck, in RPG terms, is Brian Gleichman?

STR - Average
INT - High
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this is not what you meant...?

Regards,
David R

:brood:

Funny, funny guy!

Quote from: James J SkachNow granted, I don't know if Mcrow is angry about Cessna in particular, or just a general dislike of Pundy's stupidity. But it's sure a difference from the reaction to gleichman.

 

I couldn't give a rat's hairy ass about Cessna posting here or not.

I'm just sick of Pundit's crap.