Are You Wearing Your U.S. Flag Pin Today?

ElectroKitty · May 01, 2007, 03:31:32 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070430-3.html

Everybody bow down and worship your new master!

P.S. Bush has done this every year of his administration.

beeber · May 01, 2007, 03:41:53 PM

it just gets worse every time. why can't he just go play in traffic or something?

if i had one, i would wear it every day. upside down. :mad:

Koltar · May 01, 2007, 03:46:20 PM

Quote from: beeberit just gets worse every time. why can't he just go play in traffic or something?

if i had one, i would wear it every day. upside down. :mad:

...and that would be VERY rude to the many servicemen and veterans who also disagree with the current President - and yet served the country you would be insulting.

In many sub-cultures, wearing a symbol upside down is a major insult. I know in some parts of Biker Culture it is.
I don't recommend you wear that pin upside down near certain biker bars. Many of those Harley riders are also Vietnam vets.

- Ed C.

J Arcane · May 01, 2007, 03:46:36 PM

This isn't new.

You can blame Eisenhower.

Mind, not all presidents have chosen to officially acknowledge it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_Day

beeber · May 01, 2007, 03:54:05 PM

Quote from: Koltar...and that would be VERY rude to the many servicemen and veterans who also disagree with the current President - and yet served the country you would be insulting.

In many sub-cultures, wearing a symbol upside down is a major insult. I know in some parts of Biker Culture it is.
I don't recommend you wear that pin upside down near certain biker bars. Many of those Harley riders are also Vietnam vets.

- Ed C.

it's a good thing i don't frequent biker bars, then

Koltar · May 01, 2007, 04:02:13 PM

Beeber,
You miss my point - maybe.
Its okay that you have an extreme dslike (hate?) of George W. Bush.

However your way of expressing that would be the gunnery equivalent of using a grenade (or even artillery) when what you really wanted was a decent sniper rifle shot.

A more appropriate lapel pin protest might be a simple button that says : "BUSH Sucks" or maybe "2009 can't happen soon enough".
That way you're not possibly putting down people that might agree with you politically. Or heck, just contact the Democratic local headquarters where you live and wear their party's symbol on your coat or jacket - thjats simple enough.

- Ed C.

Sosthenes · May 01, 2007, 04:05:06 PM

Hey, don't feel pissed. I've got off work today, and who do I have to thank for? The Nazis.

Joey2k · May 01, 2007, 04:05:39 PM

Quote from: Koltar...and that would be VERY rude to the many servicemen and veterans who also disagree with the current President - and yet served the country you would be insulting.

An upside down flag isn't an insult, it's a maritime distress signal. Entirely appropriate if you think your country is in trouble.

beeber · May 01, 2007, 04:06:04 PM

no, i get your point. one flies the flag upside-down if in distress, and that's my view of the country, not only under his helm.

i am now bowing out of this discussion before i get too worked up over it.

Tim · May 01, 2007, 04:10:30 PM

An upside down flag is an internationally recognized distress signal. Most servicemen and women know this.

An upside down American flag = my country is in distress. It's a perfectly legitimate and non-insulting way to show your disagreement with the current policies of your country.

Of course that doesn't mean that someone won't have an ignorant knee-jerk reaction and beat you to death with a lead pipe or chastise you on an internet forum.

James J Skach · May 01, 2007, 04:11:33 PM

Besides, you apparenlty missed the line that says

Quote from: ProclamationThe Congress, by Public Law 85-529, as amended, has designated May 1 of each year as "Loyalty Day."

So this isn't about Bush - that's just your prism of hatred talking.

Now if you want to talk about how stupid it is for government as a whole, in general, to have a "Loyalty Day," particularly a government founded on the ideals of liberty and self-reliance, that I'll hop on.

Otherwise you're just playing the "I hate Bush" game that's really popular with the kids these days, but, I predict, will be out of style in a year or so...

Koltar · May 01, 2007, 04:15:55 PM

Quote from: TechnomancerAn upside down flag isn't an insult, it's a maritime distress signal. Entirely appropriate if you think your country is in trouble.

Its still an over-reaction.

Its less than 2 years till the next election.

Depending on your point of view :

The country survived Harding

The country survived Johnson...

The country survived Nixon...

The country survived Gerald Ford...

The nation survived Jimmy Carter ...,

The country survived Ronald Reagan ...

The U.S.A. survived George H.W. Bush, Bill Cinton, and now George W. Bush.

There is always going to be somebody who isn't happy with the current President - no matter who he or she happens to be.

- Ed C.

ElectroKitty · May 01, 2007, 04:56:55 PM

Quote from: James J SkachSo this isn't about Bush - that's just your prism of hatred talking.

Color me ignorant; I didn't know it was a legally recognized holiday until J Arcane posted that link.

QuoteNow if you want to talk about how stupid it is for government as a whole, in general, to have a "Loyalty Day," particularly a government founded on the ideals of liberty and self-reliance, that I'll hop on.

The concept of Loyalty Day is stupid.

Sosthenes · May 01, 2007, 05:11:43 PM

Quote from: ElectroKittyThe concept of Loyalty Day is stupid.

What concept? The official reason or the true background?

J Arcane · May 01, 2007, 05:15:03 PM

Quote from: SosthenesWhat concept? The official reason or the true background?

I dunno about electroKitty, but I find nationalism and patriotism to be dangerous philosophies that I want no part in. I don't believe in loyalty to country uber alles.

And I should think that someone familiar with German history should be rather concerned about the concept of a federally mandated loyalty rally . . .