How is one not a straight clone of t'other?

Both seem very similar.

Very similar.

Well, they aren't quite the same, however there was always a bit of a sense that Nova Praxis was jumping on the transhuman bandwagon in the light of Eclipse Phase's success. It's probably worth noting the influence of SJGames' Transhuman Space on both too.

both feature a transhuman destruction of earth and a disapora out across the solar system as a major plot point

perhaps it' sjust anotehr example of hodgkins parallel development, captain

Firefly. Killjoys. Dark Matter.

I don't know if the earth was 'destroyed' in all those but game, TV or book it's not an original concept.

Yeah, both games draw on many of the same inspirations for their settings, which naturally leads to some similarities. Earth getting frakked up and humanity having to look elsewhere is not exactly a new concept. Apart from that, there are actually quite a few significant differences in how things things have played out in both games. Transhumanity is running wild in EP, for example, while in NP there are restrictions in place and those who have given up their original bodies are still in the minority.

Quote from: HorusArisen;993430Firefly. Killjoys. Dark Matter.

I don't know if the earth was 'destroyed' in all those but game, TV or book it's not an original concept.

those things are very different

Quote from: Biscuitician;993416both feature a transhuman destruction of earth and a disapora out across the solar system as a major plot point

perhaps it' sjust anotehr example of hodgkins parallel development, captain

The StarCluster RPG (now in 4th edition) has featured destruction of Earth and an exodus to space since 2002. FTL Now RPG (now StarCluster 4 - FTL Now) has featured partial destruction of the Earth and exodus into the solar system since 2006. I don't think Nova Praxis OR Eclipse Phase copied them from me. It's a common meme in SF.

Heck, Buck Rogers XXVc was published in '89/'90, and while Earth was still intact it was a Hellhole which the higher classes escaped from to other parts of the solar system (the moon, Mars, Mercury, et al).  They left Earth to the lower classes.

Heavy Gear had massive migration from Earth (following an Ice Age) and that was published in the 90s.

Mutant Chronicles, circa 1993, also had the exodus-from-earth scenario... and a bit of transhumanism with the Cybertronic faction.

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Quote from: flyingmice;993595The StarCluster RPG (now in 4th edition) has featured destruction of Earth and an exodus to space since 2002. FTL Now RPG (now StarCluster 4 - FTL Now) has featured partial destruction of the Earth and exodus into the solar system since 2006. I don't think Nova Praxis OR Eclipse Phase copied them from me. It's a common meme in SF.

Right, but in the context of a transhuman game wherein the earth was destroyed by nano tech and so forth

Quote from: Biscuitician;993792Right, but in the context of a transhuman game wherein the earth was destroyed by nano tech and so forth

Sorry I see you mean in the minutiae not the grand details. In that respect are you saying  there are some extreme parallels between them? What were their release dates?

I'd say from what people are saying about them the similarities are much like the usual Tolkien rip offs. Obvious but not necessarily detrimental to enjoyment.

Interesting though I'll have to read both again properly and see how many points I can find to match.

Quote from: HorusArisen;993798Sorry I see you mean in the minutiae not the grand details. In that respect there is some extreme parallels between them, what were their release dates?

I'd say the similarities are much like the usual Tolkien rip offs. Obvious but not necessarily detrimental to enjoyment.

Interesting though I'll have to read both again and see how many points I can find to match.

Nova Praxis came out several years after Eclipse Phase. You can Google both names together to find some old threads comparing and contrasting the two. There are certainly some similarities simply because they draw on many of the same sources of inspiration, but there are some very key differences.

NP is actually transhuman sci-fi with a good bit of cyberpunk thrown in. I've heard people describe it Shadowrun pushed a bit further into the future. That's not entirely accurate, but the pieces are there. Humanity is in transition, and the game is focused about that transition. The game does not take sides, presenting good and bad factions on both sides of the debate. Do you like the human body you were born with? That's okay. Do you want to undergo Apotheosis and start experimenting with new forms? That's okay, too. Whichever side you're on, though, just don't take things too far.

EP is more of a posthuman sci-fi setting. It very much does take a political stance - one I don't care for, but it's one that some favor so for them the game is a better fit. Players won't have to worry about those pesky regulations so much in EP keeping them from playing really wild characters, and even uplifted animals are viable as character options.