Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;973456People are buying it, so it's not "too expensive."

"It is more than I can afford or care to pay" <> "too expensive."

That's exactly what "too expensive" means. The word is inherently relative.

Quote from: Harlock;973171Wow. I have been very fortunate then in my RPG tenure. There's usually a dearth players and a line of GMs wanting to run this or that game, system or campaign. I'm considering asking one of my current groups, the DM specifically, if he'd mind alternating weeks with me running my campaign.

I love DMing. But locally of my players only one other likes to DM. But they are bad at winging it and so spend alot of time on prep. So they dont DM often. One other player I know DMs alot for his family, but was a player in my Star Frontiers campaign a few years back.

But from experience theres usually more players than DMs. Ive never seen a situation where there werent any willing DMs at all. But apparently other have had the problem.

Quote from: Pat;973479That's exactly what "too expensive" means. The word is inherently relative.

Yeah, but he played with Gary Gygax.

Quote from: Voros;973247How about we all come over and beat you unconscious with our D&D hardcovers? Maybe that would resolve your conundrum?

He's just a trolling douche at this point.  It doesn't matter how many reasonable low cost options get tossed at him; he can't cede his original point.

Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;973803He's just a trolling douche at this point.  It doesn't matter how many reasonable low cost options get tossed at him; he can't cede his original point.

You're insulting me because I don't want to buy the games you think I should buy?

You've completely missed the point of this thread. I'm not especially looking for alternatives. By all means provide some, I'm always interested in hearing about games i might have missed, but my point was about DnD. The question wasn't "recommend a cheaper alternative to DND". So, aside from being an abusive cunt, you're arguing with yourself.

Hmm, he asked why 5th edition AD&D is so expensive and quoted a U.K. price on Amazon, was shown that he can get it for free and that there are also inexpensive alternatives...I'm not sure why this thread even exists anymore. If he were interested in getting the game, he could've had it by now. I'm going to have to go with "troll" as per Mr. Douchebag up a couple of posts up.

Quote from: Biscuitician;973804You're insulting me because I don't want to buy the games you think I should buy?

You've completely missed the point of this thread. I'm not especially looking for alternatives. By all means provide some, I'm always interested in hearing about games i might have missed, but my point was about DnD. The question wasn't "recommend a cheaper alternative to DND". So, aside from being an abusive cunt, you're arguing with yourself.

This is the second time in this one thread where I've had to point out how you completely miss your own complicity in the hostility going around.  I'm pretty sure everyone here to be acting either deliberately obtuse, or to be extremely bad at picking up on social cues. So here it is, as plainly as possible: What is it that you are trying to accomplish? Garner sympathy, get suggestions to solve a problem, just say, "whoa nelly, doesn't that seem expensive?," or what? Because you have not defined it. When people have offered advice about circumventing the problem of expensive D&D, you have been dismissive. When people have asked you direct questions, you have been evasive. There is a reason people are calling you names. It is because the think you are a troll, which your actions are indistinguishable from.

Hopefully you will prove them wrong or right soon enough, and then either settle in once you learn the ropes if you aren't a troll, or discover quickly that trolling isn't as much fun here as it is in places where people get genuinely mad at them.

Hope this resolves quickly.

D&D is a group activity. Maybe the whole group could chip in together and buy. A set of the books?

Even at the price of the books, I don't consider D&D to be all that expensive a form of entertainment for time invested. I have rpgs that I have been actively enjoying for decades. A substantial return on investment by any measure.

I will admit that there are games, and D&D 5e is one of them, that I have opted not to purchase because I didn't want to spend that money on that game. Rather like going to a restaurant seeing the menu price for a steak and deciding to have the chicken instead.

Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;973803He's just a trolling douche at this point.  It doesn't matter how many reasonable low cost options get tossed at him; he can't cede his original point.

Pretty much. Rather surprised it took you all this long to figure it out. Free 5e Basic PHB, DMG/MM, and alternate race, class, monster, gear, etc. are there, by WotC's own website. Plus a DM Guild choc-o-bloc with free Adventures. Somehow POD, Kinkos, AND home printing are all impossible! solutions, too.

He's an obvious troll until proven otherwise.

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Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;973803He's just a trolling douche at this point.  It doesn't matter how many reasonable low cost options get tossed at him; he can't cede his original point.

The Irony here is that he or she is getting angry and offended at being called a troll. As I said in a earlier post. This was really a validation thread to get confirmation of the OP views and nothing else. Rpgs are expensive and no one and I mean no one will tell the Op otherwise.

Quote from: Biscuitician;973804You're insulting me because I don't want to buy the games you think I should buy?

Your being called a Troll because no matter what advice, links or anything else that proves you wrong. It does not fit into the carefully constructed personal narrative about rpgs being expensive. No matter what anyone says "rpgs are expensive and no one here or elsewhere, online or in person is going tell me otherwise"

Quote from: Angry_Douchebag;973803You've completely missed the point of this thread. I'm not especially looking for alternatives. By all means provide some, I'm always interested in hearing about games i might have missed, but my point was about DnD. The question wasn't "recommend a cheaper alternative to DND". So, aside from being an abusive cunt, you're arguing with yourself.

we know the point of your thread as I said it was a obvious attempt at a validation thread. Hopping that everyone would agree with you and pat on you on the back. Your position on the topic is set in Adamantium and no one will convince you otherwise. Sorry but we are through trying to give you validation.

what a bizarre set of responses

It's all about perceived ROI (return on investment).

RPGs are expensive if you read them instead of novels. You can get 300 page novels for $8 instead of $50. If the RPG just gets read and shelved, its ROI is pathetic. The perceived ROI is based on how much fun and use you get out of the RPG.

AKA, the $50 for a RPG is meaningless if you get 50 hours of fun, and if you multiply that out with players, the ROI goes through the roof as the price per hour goes to pennies.

I am ROI conscious. It's why I've bought all my sports cars used because I get low mileage roadsters for less than a new econobox.  Heck, I buy lots of books used for the same reason. It's easy to justify ROI on something you got at a fraction of the original price.

Quote from: Biscuitician;973804You've completely missed the point of this thread.

I am confused by this thread. What exactly is your point?

Quote from: Spinachcat;973902It's all about perceived ROI (return on investment).

I am confused by this thread. What exactly is your point?

I tried the ROI argument. It was shot down.

I'm not sure what the point is either.

Ladies and Gentlemen let's just walk away the Op knows he is trolling, and now pretending he or she can't understand why the thread is getting the reaction and feedback it's getting. Time for this thread to die.