Quote from: HorusArisen;950610People keep saying you can use your old edition material but that being the case I may as well just run basic or 2e.

Good idea. Run a B/X game.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;950711Good idea. Run a B/X game.

lol that's never a bad idea but I think I know now what I'll run for my group next.

Quote from: HorusArisen;950610I'm genuinely bewildered by WotC's plan, are they winding D&D down?

Yes and No.

Hasbro's idea of "profitable" is vastly different than Paizo or Goodman or any other publisher whose bread and butter is RPGs.

Also, WotC knows they have 3 types of D&D customers who effectively exist in different hobbies that are only tangentially related: (1) gamers who buy core books and homebrew; (2) the Living Campaign crowd, and (3) ex-gamers who read RPG stuff and quietly dream of actually play that never occurs.

Group 1 buys very little beyond core books.
Group 2 buys stuff for their Living Campaign involvement.
Group 3 buys anything.

Quote from: HorusArisen;950610It looks like there might be a handful of interesting 3rd party support but is it really worth investing in this edition if the owners aren't?

Only if you and your players love the game.

If you need a publisher who is invested in their product, then you have many others to choose from. I am no Pathfinder fan by any stretch, but its obvious Paizo is 24/7 focused on making their fans happy little repeat customers.

Quote from: Larsdangly;950680Exactly. I'm soooooo fucking sick of adventuring materials that are just tens of thousands of words, telling you a bunch of stuff that is totally irrelevant to what happens at the table, mostly horribly written, and accompanied by a lame map someone threw together on a cookie cutter computer graphics program. It is all shit.

Well that doesn't describe Out of the Abyss or Curse of Strahd. Or even the weaker adventure books they've released. Sounds to me like you're recycling complaints from 2e era, that were only half true even then.

Quote from: HorusArisen;950681What's the best place to see OSR products and reviews?

Tenfootpole reviews loads of material and isn't afraid to give out a bad review. Of course he has his biases that I don't 100 percent agree with but he's upfront about them so you know what you're getting from him and can read between the lines to see if you'd be into something he dislikes.

Quote from: HorusArisen;950701Although I realise your being humorous  

Thank Crom for small favors.  Seriously.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;950676I wish they'd get back to making modules...

All indications are that 'proper modules' don't sell. At least not well enough for a giant corporation like Hasbro.

Quote from: Voros;950733Tenfootpole reviews loads of material and isn't afraid to give out a bad review. Of course he has his biases that I don't 100 percent agree with but he's upfront about them so you know what you're getting from him and can read between the lines to see if you'd be into something he dislikes.

I'll check them out

Oh and another good source of reviews is Questing Beast who does well presented video reviews that give you a good look at the actual hardcopy and art. And you know he is independent of this site as he gives Dark Albion a pretty negative review.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;950690The issue is that this place LOVES the retro-heartbreakers, it's heavily biased towards them.  You're not going to find any opinion that doesn't gush their love of it.

He says, rendering his own point false.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;950690Best as in honest?  Not here, sadly.

Quote from: HorusArisen;950692lol I took that as a given ��

Then why the fuck would you even come here, if you don't expect to get any honest information?

Quote from: Voros;950735All indications are that 'proper modules' don't sell. At least not well enough for a giant corporation like Hasbro.

Yeah, that Paizo...no money at all in modules...dunno what the fuck they are thinking.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;950690The issue is that this place LOVES the retro-heartbreakers, it's heavily biased towards them.  You're not going to find any opinion that doesn't gush their love of it.
Best as in honest?  Not here, sadly.

bullshit

*looks at watch* Oh, look, it's "Show us on the doll where old school touched you in a bad way" o'clock again.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;950757*looks at watch* Oh, look, it's "Show us on the doll where old school touched you in a bad way" o'clock again.

You watch MASH?  We have our own "5 O'Clock Charlie".

OSR Brady.