Quote from: Doom;942156See, I want the other direction, with the power curve lowered. I want a game where when the 3nd level warrior sees 4 orcs he goes "hmm, I'm going to have to think of a way to beat them, because my character doesn't have 20 buttons on his sheet that give me wins."

It's not just I'm a DM and want to screw players, but my players have so many buttons and nozzles and whistles on them that I honestly have no idea if this is the 4th, or 5th, fireball of the day, or the 3rd, or 4th, trip attack, or the 2nd or 3rd sorcery point since the last short rest, or whatever. I'm not saying I worry about cheaters, but that's a lot of crap to keep track of, and honest mistakes get ever easier as the level of complication goes up.

And, of course, a sheet full of buttons to press means the players are too busy looking at all the buttons to even think of trying outside of those buttons.

Quote from: tenbones;942154Attribute-level gains is another way of threading that needle. I *feel*<-- note that it's a feeling, nothing more, that it would require more work to do this than to do what I'm proposing - but I feel it could accomplish the same thing (edit: technically you could do BOTH. But I'm not convinced there wouldn't be some minor unnecessary redundancies). The primary reason why I feel this is because the abstraction of level-gain is, itself, a redundancy of implied Feat requirement levels. I.e. I think it's a vestigial byproduct that exists only because of Tradition, not unlike Vancian magic. Etc. I concede that it would probably resemble D&D more than what I suggest (because Levels!) but I feel that the "Level" mechanic has taken a bad beating from MMO's.

Levels, in my understanding, have come to represent a progression track that relatively new players have come to see as some kind of denotation to their end-destination of MAX LEVEL CAP!!!! It's lost its original meaning where it was merely a signpost indicator of ones general advancement, where making such advances beyond a certain point was procedural thing. Hence the level-names etc. And beyond 10th you had normalized progression.

I think Attribute Level gains could definitely work. I haven't given it nearly as much thought about it as you, mainly because I've pushed my thinking in the other direction. I'd certainly play the shit out of it, over what we currently have in 5e.

Quote from: Opaopajr;942237Oh dear, I think we may be talking in cross purposes... ALGs as in the levels where you get stat increases -- or a new feat.

Could you run me past what you were thinking about in another way?

Quote from: cranebump;941981I assume this was done with 4E? (actual question here, not a snipe).

Quote from: finarvyn;942102I'd love to run a 5E Modern style game, so I guess that would be one of my top "wish list" items for the SRD. (Actually, I'd like to run a modern-day urban magic campaign like Dresden Files, so it would be ideal if one could mix spellcasters with modern.)