You could try the Tekumel site. If memory serves, there are a few city maps which can  downloaded for free. I believe Fasiltum is there and Tumissa, both of which are large cities.

Shemek.

Quote from: danbuter;937301Honestly, what would be perfect is if someone had made a good map of Constantinople back when it was the capitol of the Byzantium Empire. There are some maps of it, but they are all really small and not helpful.

Loz and Pete from TDM occasionally drop by here. If you butter them up real good, they might be inclined to drop some previews.
This is of course completely unrelated to me wanting info on how Mythic Contantinople is coming along.

Quote from: baragei;937382Loz and Pete from TDM occasionally drop by here. If you butter them up real good, they might be inclined to drop some previews.
This is of course completely unrelated to me wanting info on how Mythic Contantinople is coming along.

I didn't even know that was in the works. I'm definitely interested!

Calimport for Forgotten Realms. Supposed to be 2 mil+ city. Gives advice on how to abstract the city into large districts.

Thyatis for Mystara. Capital of 1 mil+ pseudo Rome, IIRC. Alphasia might have had a few cities above 100k, though I forget.

Golden City of Huzuz, City of Delights, of Al-Qadim. around 800k, IIRC.

Shoon, ruined megapolis and now mythal horror on Tethyr-Calimshan border, Land of Intrigue, FR. Includes large ruin map inside.

Dhaztanar, capital of Semphar Caliphate, The Horde. forget pop, but has huge city map inside.

Nexal, Maztica. Before its apocalypse was home to hundreds of thousands (and many large periphery cities along the lake edge). Box set has maps of ruined Nexal, but not too hard to alt history fix.

(Land of Intrigue, The Horde, and Maztica pdfs were once free on WotC, but that was years ago. If you downloaded them back in the day, though, worth a look back.)

Quote from: darthfozzywig;937369The problem with most fantasy city maps is that fantasy city artists don't seem to have an idea of what cities with that many people might look like, at least not in "realistic" detail.

And as said above, that's A LOT of work.

Probably the easiest thing to do is to lay out the major streets and districts and only develop the places that are needed. There's little point in drawing every little building in a neighbourhood if no one goes there.

Quote from: Opaopajr;937633Thyatis for Mystara. Capital of 1 mil+ pseudo Rome, IIRC. Alphasia might have had a few cities above 100k, though I forget.

Specularum in Karameikos has a population of around 64000. Not as big as the OP wanted, but it probably wouldn't be too hard to adapt it. Maybe add a few new neighbourhoods/districts outside the walls or just tell the players that there are 100k people there and don't say anything more unless players start calling you on it.

Quote from: danbuter;937159Many medieval cities had populations of over 100,000, some even hit 1 million.

Outside of China that's just not true.   It was called the Dark ages in Europe for that among other reasons.  If you need a fairly realistic map of what such a city would look like get one of Rome at it's height but remember Rome survived on slave labor (a good 30%+ of the population) and massive grain imports from Northern Africa.

Maybe in Europe, having Paris at 80,000 pop was hard. But the rest of the world, it was not as hard as you think. Go pick up a National Geographic about the year 1000 AD (CE). They did a healthy survey of many cities over 100,000 during that time, from SE Asia, Mesopotamia, Cahokia, Chaco, Central Andes, MesoAmerica, India, Ceylon, North Africa, Nigeria (huge clusters of tightly packed Ibo & Yoruba 30k villages under 5 miles apart), etc.

Such notions expositing Europe's standards of that time to the rest of the world are simply false. Period.

That's interesting and does invalidate "outside of China...", though the original post in this topic:

Quote from: danbuter;937159Many medieval cities had populations of over 100,000, some even hit 1 million. ...

Seems to mean medieval Europe.

Quote from: Skarg;938033That's interesting and does invalidate "outside of China...", though the original post in this topic:


Seems to mean medieval Europe.

Even in Europe, places like Cordoba and Palermo got quite large in the middle ages (maybe not 1 million but well over 100,000).

I bought the maps of The Lands of Ice and Fire.  Excellent maps of both King's Landing and Braavos.  The only drawback and it's a huge one is that maps are folded, not rolled; thus will wear out quickly.  So, I am going have them put in a picture frame someday.

Quote from: Prairie Dragon;938041I bought the maps of The Lands of Ice and Fire.  Excellent maps of both King's Landing and Braavos.  The only drawback and it's a huge one is that maps are folded, not rolled; thus will wear out quickly.  So, I am going have them put in a picture frame someday.

I'm thinking of taking them and getting them scanned in at 1200dpi or something insane like that.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;938034Even in Europe, places like Cordoba and Palermo got quite large in the middle ages (maybe not 1 million but well over 100,000).

Like how much over 100k?  Just get an idea of what you mean.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;938170Like how much over 100k?  Just get an idea of what you mean.

I think Córdoba had 400,000 or more at one point. Estimate ranges seem to vary a lot though. Palermo was something like 300,000.

Outside the West, I seem to recall reading somewhere that three cities hit the 1M population mark by 1492: Tenochtitlán, Constantinople and Angkor Wat (IIRC). I'll look it up but if anyone cares to confirm or refute...

Quote from: The Butcher;938229Outside the West, I seem to recall reading somewhere that three cities hit the 1M population mark by 1492: Tenochtitlán, Constantinople and Angkor Wat (IIRC). I'll look it up but if anyone cares to confirm or refute...

Tenochtitlan? Highly unlikely that it came even close to that. Quarter mil or less. Angkor, I am doubtful as well, although I don't really know. Constantinople, you may be approaching that zone by the 15th century, although a million? seems a stretch to me.