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Why do all Superhero RPGs suck?

Started by TrippyHippy, December 13, 2016, 04:43:34 AM

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cranebump

#135
December 28, 2016, 07:17:11 AM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;937439But there are some good anime.

I've never seen a good superhero comic on the other hand.

Then you haven't read enough, or even read about comics enough. Why don't you just say you don't like superhero comics, or that you prefer manga (if we're gonna compare apples to apples)? Krueger's right. This sounds like a 6th grade comment.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

cranebump

#136
December 28, 2016, 07:23:31 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;937447You clearly weren't around for the 80's and 90's run of the Avengers, the heyday of well written adventures.  Nor, were you around for the 80's and 90's of anime, which was formulaic schlock.

A lot of people also seem to think that the Claremont and Byrne era of X-Men were pretty good, but after about the six or seventh issue, I found that that the angst was a bit much.  Not to mention that Claremont had no idea how to write male characters, so he didn't.

Claremont's run WAS pretty good, and I don't even like the X-Men.

Kurt Busiek's stuff is uniformly good, including a lot of the work he did for the Avengers (though it pales in comparison to Astro City).
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

ThatChrisGuy

#137
December 28, 2016, 09:45:20 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;937447Not to mention that Claremont had no idea how to write male characters, so he didn't.

You just revealed to me why I never liked Chris Claremont's writing much.  I never glommed on to it but now I see it I agree with this completely.
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tenbones

#138
December 28, 2016, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;937442You realize that makes you look laughingly ignorant or pathetically disingenuous, right?

Allow me to expound on your solid list - and add a few others-

Alan Moore The Watchmen, V For Vendetta (let alone all this 2000AD stuff.

Grant Morrison His entire run on the JLA!, The Invisibles, All-Star Superman

Frank Miller Entire Daredevil run, 300, Ronin, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns

Garth Ennis Entire Hellblazer run, Preacher (hello?!?!)

Mike Mignola Hellboy

Pat Mills  ALL of his 2000AD stuff (especially Slaine)

Walt Simonson Entire Thor run.

Matt Wagner Grendel, Mage - all of it

Neil Gaiman Anything he's written in comics. You can begin and end with Sandman. (his fiction is hit/miss depending on your tastes)

John Byrne Entire run on Fantastic Four, X-Men, Superman, Alpha Flight (dude is a dick, but he is a comic icon double-threat)

Man I could go on - but yeah - this stands.


Quote from: CRKrueger;937442You sound like a 6th grader taling about relationships for chrissakes.

Yeah this has some traction to it.

3rik

#139
December 28, 2016, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Simlasa;937121What are some good 'superhero' anime? Would that include stuff like Genocyber and Claymore?

I thought One Punch Man was pretty hilarious. Not sure how you'd emulate that in an RPG, though.
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Tristram Evans

#140
December 28, 2016, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;937443Let's just can the sarcasm and just agree to disagree here, shall we?

Yeah, thats going to happen

AsenRG

#141
December 28, 2016, 12:05:34 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;937439But there are some good anime.
Some, yes, though opinions vary which ones fit the bill:).

QuoteI've never seen a good superhero comic on the other hand.
You haven't looked hard enough, I suspect. I recommend Garth Ennis, personally, for all the reasons that four-colour fans hate him;)!
(Me and them just have wildly divergent tastes when it comes to masked people with weird powers that can easily be used for carnage and destruction).

Quote from: 3rik;937505I thought One Punch Man was pretty hilarious. Not sure how you'd emulate that in an RPG, though.
By making a system so convoluted it puts the whole group to sleep, or makes them drop the game. Because that's how One-Punch Man works on me every time I try to read it:D!
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3rik

#142
December 28, 2016, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: AsenRG;937511By making a system so convoluted it puts the whole group to sleep, or makes them drop the game. Because that's how One-Punch Man works on me every time I try to read it:D!

I was referring to the anime. I haven't checked out the manga.
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AsenRG

#143
December 28, 2016, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: 3rik;937515I was referring to the anime. I haven't checked out the manga.

I'll get back to you when I see the anime, but when you're comparing comics, it should be to other comics, not to movies;).
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3rik

#144
December 28, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: AsenRG;937517I'll get back to you when I see the anime, but when you're comparing comics, it should be to other comics, not to movies;).

Sure, but Simlasa asked about superhero anime, not manga.
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#145
December 28, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Quote from: 3rik;937521Sure, but Simlasa asked about superhero anime, not manga.

First, most of them have both, usually with the manga being first AFAIK:).

Second, I was replying to Doc Sammy and you. The reason I wasn't replying to Simlasa was because I know much less about anime than I do about manga/manhua/manhwa, which is, you guessed right, just another kind of comics to me;).
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#146
December 28, 2016, 01:02:38 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;937443Let's just can the sarcasm and just agree to disagree here, shall we?

I see.  You can talk shit about other peoples' preferences, but if somebody talks shit about yours it's all "boo hoo mommy."
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

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DarcyDettmann

#147
December 28, 2016, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: AsenRG;937511I recommend Garth Ennis, personally, for all the reasons that four-colour fans hate him;)

But why?

Ennis used to be a good writes, but now? He can only write EDGY shit about how much he hates capeshit. No problem in hating capeshit, but he goes out of his way to show how much he hate comicbook heroes, and shooting himself multiple times on the foot doing it.

AsenRG

#148
December 28, 2016, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: DarcyDettmann;937540But why?

Ennis used to be a good writes, but now? He can only write EDGY shit about how much he hates capeshit. No problem in hating capeshit, but he goes out of his way to show how much he hate comicbook heroes, and shooting himself multiple times on the foot doing it.
Because someone who doesn't like superhero comics probably is fed up with the opposite of Garth Ennis;)? He's very good at providing the opposite of the "average" superhero comic, and I'm recommending a superhero comic to someone who doesn't like the genre.
Or simply because I like his approach, and think that people who suddenly get superpowers are more likely to behave like his characters than the way masked crimefighters tend to do in comics:D?
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Simlasa

#149
December 28, 2016, 03:27:28 PM Last Edit: December 28, 2016, 03:29:38 PM by Simlasa
Quote from: 3rik;937521Sure, but Simlasa asked about superhero anime, not manga.
I'll take manga recommendations as well... or non-Japanese superhero comics that seem to stand out as being good RPG fodder.
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