Quote from: Kellri;913348As have I on both counts, so I'm failing to see the irony. Anime has entire sub-genres dedicated to pedophilia and misogyny - popular sub-genres that are decades old. Further, it's not just something limited to one author or publisher either. I'm not going so far as to claim all anime has that, but enough of it does that it's what I would categorize as a 'prominent theme'. If you don't like to recognize that as a cultural motivation, what would you call it?

This is the same as claiming "books" have a common theme based on reading a few romance novels. Genres exist within art forms, they don't inform the entirety. This is especially true of anime moreso than western animation which has been relegated to a cultural ghetto by the assumption that there is one intended audience, an assumption that anime has never evinced.

Quote from: TristramEvans;914430This is the same as claiming "books" have a common theme based on reading a few romance novels. Genres exist within art forms, they don't inform the entirety. This is especially true of anime moreso than western animation which has been relegated to a cultural ghetto by the assumption that there is one intended audience, an assumption that anime has never evinced.

Yes defiantly the phrase for the concept is the animation age ghetto.
Thats why there are so few western animated movies aimed at the adult market let alone movies out side of the family guy class.

a different kind of Offensive, but it still applies...
Fantasy Imperium, a historically accurate (except for all the magic) medieval Europe dealing in part with an Islamic incursion.  Meticulously researched. At least until you get to the bibliography.
the books used to research Islam are: Islam & Terrorism, Islam Unveiled, Why I am not a Muslim, and The Great Arab Conuests.

Quote from: remial;915083a different kind of Offensive, but it still applies...
Fantasy Imperium, a historically accurate (except for all the magic) medieval Europe dealing in part with an Islamic incursion.  Meticulously researched. At least until you get to the bibliography.
the books used to research Islam are: Islam & Terrorism, Islam Unveiled, Why I am not a Muslim, and The Great Arab Conuests.

If it relates to minorities, it's not considered offensive for the purpose of this thread.

Quote from: kosmos1214;914620Thats why there are so few western animated movies aimed at the adult market let alone movies out side of the family guy class.

Yeah. There's been a lot of non-juvenile animation in the west but most of it is short-form and unique.

Watership Down, Plague Dogs, Gandahar, Fantastic Planet, and many more. Most just dont originate in the US. Or are based off books that werent kids stories either.

In the US animation has the same stigma as gaming. Kits stuff. So it tends to be lighter. Though obviously some writers have bucked the system to some degree and some producers said fuck you and went more adult. Which is why theres older cartoons like Johnny Quest and such which have body counts that would make some modern censors faint in shock. So instead any "adult" animated show on TV tends to the crass.

Animated movies have ranged all over the place really. But again in the US at least the trend is the lower age brackets.

Quote from: Spike;912974Is the outrage brigade planning to ever put out a book... like some form of thesarus... that will explain to those of us NOT in the illuminatii which words are worse than others?  

That would defeat the purpose of letting them declare whatever words you used at any given moment to be the 'worst'.

Quote from: Simlasa;915105Yeah. There's been a lot of non-juvenile animation in the west but most of it is short-form and unique.

Quote from: Omega;915190Watership Down, Plague Dogs, Gandahar, Fantastic Planet, and many more. Most just dont originate in the US. Or are based off books that werent kids stories either.

In the US animation has the same stigma as gaming. Kits stuff. So it tends to be lighter. Though obviously some writers have bucked the system to some degree and some producers said fuck you and went more adult. Which is why theres older cartoons like Johnny Quest and such which have body counts that would make some modern censors faint in shock. So instead any "adult" animated show on TV tends to the crass.

Animated movies have ranged all over the place really. But again in the US at least the trend is the lower age brackets.

Yes agreed sadly its why i have put some faith that will doubtlessly be dashed that sausage party dose ok at this point im about ready to give any thing to break the stigma.

Quote from: RPGPundit;915326That would defeat the purpose of letting them declare whatever words you used at any given moment to be the 'worst'.

well...

....  yes.


that was sort of my point.  Did I miss it, or did Iskandarkebab stop replying to me? Am I on his ignore list? Oh please, please let me be on his ignore list. I can't wait to start gossiping about him behind his back!

Quote from: remial;915083a different kind of Offensive, but it still applies...
Fantasy Imperium, a historically accurate (except for all the magic) medieval Europe dealing in part with an Islamic incursion.  Meticulously researched. At least until you get to the bibliography.
the books used to research Islam are: Islam & Terrorism, Islam Unveiled, Why I am not a Muslim, and The Great Arab Conuests.

That is an odd take.  If the setting is meticulously researched, and you found nothing patently offensive in the presentation of the setting, than the fact that the author(s) also included a bunch of modern takes on Islam and the west in their research... and decided to disclose this in the bibliography... suddenly makes what was accurate and inoffensive... offensive?


This implies a few different things. First, the author(s), read those books but didn't include any of the racist elements that make them beyond the pale.

or second that you have a knee-jerk reaction to the titles, and have no idea what those books contain and you assume they MUST BE racist, and anything in them is suspect automatically. Based on the titles, one assumes.

Third possibility: The books are racist, were used heavily in the setting, and you too are a racist who failed to note how inaccurate and racist the setting was until you read the bibliography and realized how many 'banned and evil racists books' were used to research the setting.

So... which is it?

It may have been deleted. But back when the Tournament of Rapists uproar was going on and BGG was censoring the site, there was also mention of some sort of white supremacy RPG over on OBG. An RPG designed to promote bigotry and hate.

Quote from: Omega;915735It may have been deleted. But back when the Tournament of Rapists uproar was going on and BGG was censoring the site, there was also mention of some sort of white supremacy RPG over on OBG. An RPG designed to promote bigotry and hate.

I don't recall any racist rpgs on OBS, but I do recall that years before the Big Purple had a hilarious review of of the RAHOWA RPG... in which all the evil races (Blacks, Jews, Mexicans... etc), had cool super powers based on racial stereotypes, and white heroic people got bupkis... and since the combat system was broken to the point of uselessness, there was no way to beat all those inferior races with their superpowers...

In short, a game so racist and so bad that it was easy to believe it was satirical, but probably wasn't.

Quote from: Spike;915705That is an odd take.  If the setting is meticulously researched, and you found nothing patently offensive in the presentation of the setting, than the fact that the author(s) also included a bunch of modern takes on Islam and the west in their research... and decided to disclose this in the bibliography... suddenly makes what was accurate and inoffensive... offensive?

If those were the ONLY books mentioned in the bibliography referencing Islam then that could imply either that the authors are either intentionally trying to make a very out-of-context ideological statement by omitting any useful sources or are imbeciles incapable of using a public library.

In any case, it's not necessarily a conservative trait to pick and choose the worst possible sources to make an ideological point. In the 80s and 90s it was almost a requirement for any history that even briefly touched on the Middle East to reference Edward Said's polemic 'Orientalism'. Hell, as a student at the time, I kept a copy around just because almost every one of my humanities professors would, at some point, assign some part of that fucking book as a reading assignment. Needless to say, pointing out in a subsequent discussion (at the time) that Said, as a Palestinian emigre, had a very personal agenda, was almost tantamount to calling for carpet bombing in Gaza as a prelude to a new Crusade.

Quote from: Omega;915735It may have been deleted. But back when the Tournament of Rapists uproar was going on and BGG was censoring the site, there was also mention of some sort of white supremacy RPG over on OBG. An RPG designed to promote bigotry and hate.

Well, the Racial Holy War RPG has been around for a while, it was contemporary of the original uproar over FATAL. Wasn't there a recent fantasy RPG written by a famous White supremacist in Denmark or Norway or something?

That would be Varg Vikernes (former member of Mayhem and Burzum, who served time for murder). He wrote the MYFAROG rpg, which I think was just really into Viking mythology and Asatru or whatever. Or maybe it was just a mix of stuff from Neo-Nazi propagandha and Black Metal Satanism. I doubt its available on OBS.