Quote from: yosemitemike;906723Most Americans only have a vague idea and would probably think I was talking about a console game.

Honestly, before I came to this site a couple of months ago, I didn't even know what a Storygamer was, or that there were convenient boxes that people were categorized into. I mean, I remember Pundit ranting about Fate during the playtest for Cubicle 7's Doctor Who RPG but I really had no idea what the issue was.

Quote from: Krimson;906731Honestly, before I came to this site a couple of months ago, I didn't even know what a Storygamer was, or that there were convenient boxes that people were categorized into. I mean, I remember Pundit ranting about Fate during the playtest for Cubicle 7's Doctor Who RPG but I really had no idea what the issue was.

I'm still not sure.

When I told people I play RPGs in the past, their response would usually be "you mean like D&D?".  Now it's, "you mean like Skyrim?"

Quote from: yosemitemike;906734I'm still not sure.

Certain people began to claim that RPGing isn't merely about playing a game.
They had their artificial theories and exotic games where players created the world in place of GM.
el Pundito Loco disagreed.
They disagreed with him.

Now it's personal.

"RPGs: the revenge of OSR".
Starring: Daniel Day-Lewis as himself. Liam Neeson as "the set of skills". Rihanna as "Charisma". Leonardo di Caprio as "Condition". Angry Taliban mob straight outta Afghulistan as storytellers. Vladimir Putin as "the story".

In cinemas near you.
This summer.
Which side you're on? It doesn't matter. There will be blood anyway.

This summer.
Be there.

Well it would be interesting to see what kind of Japanese RPGs are out there, without being filtered through one translator. I doubt there are many of them.

Quote from: Krimson;906731I mean, I remember Pundit ranting about Fate during the playtest for Cubicle 7's Doctor Who RPG

Yes, but FATE isn't a storygame any more, according to Pundit.

And we've always been at war with Eastasia.

Quote from: RPGPundit;906689Yeah. I suspected that the Storygaming crowd was essentially cherry-picking to give the false impression that Japanese RPGs were all swine shit.

Isn't the translator of most Japanese RPGs (Andy K) also the owner of the publishing company? Because in this case, I suspect he's just picking games he'd like to translate:).
The idea that he's doing to create an erroneous impression is one I'm sure he'd find laughable. I sure do. In order for someone to not find it so, that person should subscribe to your views that "RPG swine" are trying to destroy RPGs from within.
I'm sure not many people do that;).
(Now, if you were claiming that those same people don't care if they destroy RPG-related traditions that you value...you might have a point).

Quote from: Krimson;906731Honestly, before I came to this site a couple of months ago, I didn't even know what a Storygamer was, or that there were convenient boxes that people were categorized into. I mean, I remember Pundit ranting about Fate during the playtest for Cubicle 7's Doctor Who RPG but I really had no idea what the issue was.

The problem with this categorization is that it tells us about as much as a categorization which includes "mammals" and "predators" as part of its categories.

Quote from: Krimson;906788Well it would be interesting to see what kind of Japanese RPGs are out there, without being filtered through one translator. I doubt there are many of them.

I suspect there are. But anyway, I'd back a KS project to translate other Japanese RPGs, so if you find anything worth reading, let me know when you start the KS:D!

Quote from: Krimson;906788Well it would be interesting to see what kind of Japanese RPGs are out there, without being filtered through one translator. I doubt there are many of them.

Theres quite a few from Japan. Some have gained traction. Others fall by the wayside like any other. Same with other countries. Drakar och Demoner for example. Theres a few French RPGs and wargames that I believe have not as yet made it to english translation. Or if did were very short lived. Theres also a couple of Brazillian RPGs or hybrid RPG/Board games like RPG Quest.

Quote from: Krimson;906788Well it would be interesting to see what kind of Japanese RPGs are out there, without being filtered through one translator. I doubt there are many of them.

There are currently four translators that I am aware of. Three are affiliated with each other by way of Andy K (Tenra Bansho Zero, Golden Sky Stories, Shinobigami, and Ryuutama). The other is independent (Double Cross).

Quote from: JesterRaiin;906770Certain people began to claim that RPGing isn't merely about playing a game.

lul huh?

Quote from: JesterRaiin;906770They had their artificial theories and exotic games where players created the world in place of GM.

That's playing a game with different rules.

Quote from: JesterRaiin;906770el Pundito Loco disagreed.
They disagreed with him.

So the issue is that the Doctor Who has story points...or it isn't...or....I still don't know what the actual issue is.

Quote from: yosemitemike;906723Even the biggest publisher has lines that don't sell all that well.  I don't know how well Tenra Bansho Zero sold or how much it cost to license.  Japanese table talk RPG companies have no more incentive to publish their sales figures than their American counterparts.  I suspect that Sword World, which is a multimedia property that has sold over 10 million books, is a bigger deal and a much more expensive license though.  Hard sales numbers are scarce as usual though.



Most Americans only have a vague idea and would probably think I was talking about a console game.

Yeah iv had this happen several time its especially problematic with dnd as its had so meany video game adaptions that some people think it is primarily a video game franchise!!!
Hell i worked with a guy who literally could not comprehend the idea of a table top rpg when he ask what i was working on once(not at work).
And could only comprehend it as a precursor to a video game........

Quote from: Krimson;906788Well it would be interesting to see what kind of Japanese RPGs are out there, without being filtered through one translator. I doubt there are many of them.

you might look in to tokyo nova its a cool one.
Interesting take on cyber punk i think sadly out side of a few notes here and there no translation as far as i can tell.

Quote from: kosmos1214;906990you might look in to tokyo nova its a cool one.
Interesting take on cyber punk i think sadly out side of a few notes here and there no translation as far as i can tell.

Okay that is cool. I'll have to try and find that. I'm guessing it's inspired by Ghost in the Shell with the first edition predating the first film. One of my longest running settings Hachi:Blue, takes a lot of inspiration from GiTS, Blade Runner and other anime such as Toaru Kagaku no Railgun. I wonder how long it would take to read since I can't read kanji very well. Thanks for the suggestion.

Quote from: kosmos1214;906990you might look in to tokyo nova its a cool one.
Interesting take on cyber punk i think sadly out side of a few notes here and there no translation as far as i can tell.

I knew one of the artists briefly way way back and at the time there was mention of a possible published translation to english. But obviously it never came to pass.

Heres a loose rundown of the rules.

http://j-rpg.com/talk/discussion/2/%E3%83%88%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A7%E3%83%BCnva-tokyo-nova-a-slow-breakdown/p1

Meikyu Kingdom I heard had a translation but have never come across. It was supposed to be set totally underground in huge dungeon kingdoms? They also did something called Kantai Collection.

And another called Nechronia? Nechronica? A weird PA setting of cyborgs remnants?

And someone else was working on a translation of the Grancrest and Night Wizard RPGs.

Quote from: Omega;907019I knew one of the artists briefly way way back and at the time there was mention of a possible published translation to english. But obviously it never came to pass.

Heres a loose rundown of the rules.

http://j-rpg.com/talk/discussion/2/%E3%83%88%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A7%E3%83%BCnva-tokyo-nova-a-slow-breakdown/p1

Meikyu Kingdom I heard had a translation but have never come across. It was supposed to be set totally underground in huge dungeon kingdoms? They also did something called Kantai Collection.

And another called Nechronia? Nechronica? A weird PA setting of cyborgs remnants?

And someone else was working on a translation of the Grancrest and Night Wizard RPGs.

Hmmm... I have an Aliester Crowley Thoth Tarot on my bookshelf sitting between a Cardcaptor Sakura Clow deck and a Miku Hatsune playing card deck. Shame my old HR Giger deck died in a house fire. In any case, I have cards I can make this work somehow. Thanks for the link.

Lace and Steel used Tarot for chargen and special cards for resolution. Not Japanese, but Australian. Close enough!

Found a better description of Nechronica. Its set after some war has killed everyone. The PCs are zombie girls who still have free will. The DM is also playing the final foe. The Necromancer who animates all the dead.

Someone sent me a copy of the WIP for Meikyu Kingdom and having a glance over now.

Interesting premise akin to d20 Gamma Worlds idea of a community as a sort of character and the players as part of its creation and management, playing key characters/adventurers. So theres a kingdom phase where the players discuss and allocate for the expedition. Then the exploration phase where they go adventuring. Adventuring usually means entering a section of dungeon and beating its ruler. If the expedition wins the section is added to the kingdom. Even an option to form alliances with other player groups kingdoms.

Lots and lots of tables for events and ideas. Uses an odd version of the percentile d66 where you read the lowest die as the first number and the higher or equal die as the second. So you get a range of 11,12,13,14,15,16,22,23,24,25,26,33,34,35,36,44,45,46,55,56,66. Kinda a d21? Other times it uses 2d6 or 1d6.

Combats pretty quick too. 2d6 and enemy defense is the target to beat. Chance to kill or be killed flat out with a fatal wound when you hit zero HP. Also on a really good hit your weapon levels up! Or on a really bad fumble you kill your weapon instead!