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Sell me on Fantasy Concepts

Started by Aglondir, April 21, 2016, 08:11:28 PM

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Spinachcat

Sounds like a good idea with a terrible name.

BoxCrayonTales

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It's one of those SAGA clones, like 13th Age, Basic d20, d20 Rebirth, e20, and Legacy of Heroes, which fix glaring problems with the d20 system (i.e. sacred cows). 13th Age is the only one that gained any popularity. They still have stupid rules like using ability scores to determine modifiers (True20 is the only clone I know of that dropped those and just uses modifiers).

Actually, here's my big list of d20 clones/spin-offs.
13th Age
Arcana Evolved
Basic d20
d20 Rebirth
Dark Revelations
e20
E6
Edition Pi
Fantasy Craft
Fantasy Concepts Campaign Resource
Iron Heroes
The Legacy of Heroes
Magpie SRD
MicroLite
Outcastia
Pathfinder
Radiance
Trailblazer
True20
Sweet20

Hopefully someday another clone will use the best innovations from all of them.

EDIT: Sorry, my mistake, Basic d20 is already perfect.

Simlasa

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;893718They still have stupid rules like using ability scores to determine modifiers (True20 is the only clone I know of that dropped those and just uses modifiers).
Why is that a 'stupid rule'? Seems like a lot of rules use such things.

Also, would Dungeon Crawl Classics be considered a spawn of D20? I wouldn't think so but I've seen people mention it having similarities.

Aglondir

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;893718Sorry, my mistake, Basic d20 is already perfect.
Tell me more of this Basic D20.

Shawn Driscoll

Quote from: Simlasa;893734Why is that a 'stupid rule'? Seems like a lot of rules use such things.

Also, would Dungeon Crawl Classics be considered a spawn of D20? I wouldn't think so but I've seen people mention it having similarities.

I think DCC gets lumped into the OSR column, which is what a lot of d20 falls into.

jeff37923

Quote from: Aglondir;893452It's a fantasy adaptation of Star Wars Saga.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/78571/Fantasy-Concepts-Campaign-Resource

Star Wars is already science fantasy and has a free d6 system you can download.



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dragoner

Quote from: jeff37923;893788Star Wars is already science fantasy and has a free d6 system you can download.

d6 is probably the way I'd go, if I was going to play Star Wars. I was always more interested in WEG's Shatterzone setting.



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DavetheLost

"seven races and six character classes that utilize talent paths for character development; twenty-nine talent paths containing 128 talents to help customize your character; over 100 feats "  and that would be me unsold right there.

It sounds like "Fantasy Concepts" is all the reasons why I haven't looked at D&D since 3.0 came out, and have a severe allergy to anything with a d20 logo on it.

Aglondir

I'll broaden the topic a bit. Any thoughts or experiences on Star Wars Saga?

(Don't post about Star Wars d6. I've played it for years. Start a new thread if you want to talk about that.)

Skywalker

Fantasy Concepts is cool, but lacks a full spell chapter.

Saga d20 is the best 3e iteration but it lacks the mechanical elegance that came about in later iterations. In particular, adding level to Defences proved an issue. Personally, I would play it over 3e and 4e, but would struggle to justify it over 5e.

BoxCrayonTales

Quote from: Aglondir;893744Tell me more of this Basic D20.

It's on easydamus.com. It's a distillation of the basic rules of d20 that all d20 derivatives share in common. As a side-effect, this makes it more or less compatible with all these derivatives (which would otherwise not be compatible with one another). It is skill-based and point-buy, but simulates level-based progression. If you like d20 but aren't glued to any one version, then it works great as a toolkit.

Aglondir

Quote from: Skywalker;894224Fantasy Concepts is cool, but lacks a full spell chapter.

Saga d20 is the best 3e iteration but it lacks the mechanical elegance that came about in later iterations. In particular, adding level to Defences proved an issue. Personally, I would play it over 3e and 4e, but would struggle to justify it over 5e.
For spells, do they intend for you to use the 3.5 SRD or are the spells recreated as talents? The latter option sounds interesting.

Skywalker

Quote from: Aglondir;894399For spells, do they intend for you to use the 3.5 SRD or are the spells recreated as talents? The latter option sounds interesting.

From memory, it sort of leaves the matter unresolved. I would look at using Green Ronin's Psychic Handbook for the later.