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I need help developing a Pacifist

Started by infinitum3d, April 03, 2016, 01:18:49 PM

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infinitum3d

#15
April 04, 2016, 11:34:05 AM
All great suggestions!

I think my plan is to see if my group will at least allow me to Try negotiating first. If they stay back and let me go boldly forward, it won't hurt the team at all. If I turn into a dagger infused pincussion, then they can attack normally.

Maybe I can even convince the enemy to give us their stuff if we let them live.

I knew I should have taken a level in Bard. :-)

AsenRG

#16
April 04, 2016, 12:07:26 PM
Sorry, but I fail to see the difference between holding someone so someone else would kill him, and killing him outright. I'd rather advise you to ask your GM whether he sees that as pacifistic:).

Other than that, it's really obvious that you don't want to play a pacifist, so I'd wonder whether your Atonement has something to do with being a bit hastier to kill than a Paladin should be;).
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daniel_ream

#17
April 04, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: infinitum3d;889200But being a true pacifist is boring. I'm trying to figure out how to walk the line between funny and douchebag.

It sounds to me like you've already crossed that line.  You're clearly more interested in screwing with your GM than playing the character development as presented.


If you don't want to play a pacifist, then just tell your GM that.
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Doughdee222

#18
April 04, 2016, 12:23:59 PM
I never watched it, but wasn't the guy from the TV show Kung Fu a pacifist? Didn't he just wait until they got close then beat everyone unconscious?

AsenRG

#19
April 04, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: Doughdee222;889350I never watched it, but wasn't the guy from the TV show Kung Fu a pacifist? Didn't he just wait until they got close then beat everyone unconscious?

He was a pacifist following the doctrine of minimal harm, not no harm.
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Omega

#20
April 04, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: AsenRG;889344Sorry, but I fail to see the difference between holding someone so someone else would kill him, and killing him outright. I'd rather advise you to ask your GM whether he sees that as pacifistic:).

Where was it said they were killed while held, sleeped, etc?

If the intent is to use stalling spells like hold or sleep to kill by someone by proxy then you've just thoroughly broken the pacifist edict laid down.

crkrueger

#21
April 04, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
Hunger Strike

Not your Paladin, you.

He'll cave. :D
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Nihilistic Mind

#22
April 04, 2016, 03:29:25 PM
If it were me, I would step in and get hit to protect others, draw the attention of my enemies away from my allies, defend myself, etc... Don't attack. Seems simple enough. Sacrifice yourself if you gotta, your chosen Deity may seek to intervene then...
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#23
April 04, 2016, 03:33:38 PM
I don't get the idea of non-violence with Paladins. They're the LG Assassins.

They are built for one purpose - Destroy Evil. If the Paladin kills Neutral (or Good) NPCs, then I can see an issue. But if the Paladin revels in the bloodshed of evil, that's only a problem depending on their god. A Paladin of Athena may need to be all logical and intellectual about the slaughter, but a Paladin of Odin would be doing victory dances on their corpses in praise of Odin's might.

Like Clerics, Paladins are zealots. Unlike Clerics, Paladins are tricked out for war by the sword against supernatural evil.

BTW, what god does your Wimpy McWimp Paladin follow?

JesterRaiin

#24
April 04, 2016, 04:39:35 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;889388I don't get the idea of non-violence with Paladins.

Playing as a pacifist PC in a fantasy setting (I assume combat focused RPG), no matter what class, is dangerously close to a gamebreak, unless the rest of a players (including the GM) find it an interesting challenge.

In majority of cases I've witnessed it's "damn, Brandon, cease this bullshit and lend us a hand here, you dick".
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Bren

#25
April 04, 2016, 06:32:05 PM Last Edit: April 04, 2016, 06:59:10 PM by Bren
Quote from: Doughdee222;889350I never watched it, but wasn't the guy from the TV show Kung Fu a pacifist? Didn't he just wait until they got close then beat everyone unconscious?

Quote"Perceive the way of nature and no force of man can harm you. Do not meet a wave head on: avoid it. You do not have to stop force: it is easier to redirect it. Learn more ways to preserve rather than destroy. Avoid rather than check. Check rather than hurt. Hurt rather than maim. Maim rather than kill. For all life is precious nor can any be replaced." - Master Kan
EDIT: Here.

Quote from: CRKrueger;889385Hunger Strike

Not your Paladin, you.

He'll cave. :D
I thought playing while hungry was how his PC got in this situation in the first place.
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#26
April 04, 2016, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Doughdee222;889350I never watched it, but wasn't the guy from the TV show Kung Fu a pacifist? Didn't he just wait until they got close then beat everyone unconscious?

He actually was following the Shaolin Lohan doctrine of "Avoid rather than check, check rather than hurt, hurt rather than maim, maim rather than kill."

And what's the GM's stance on those fights that ARE binary, like some Undead?  Ghouls don't talk, they eat.  Skeletons and Zombies are automatons, and most just attempt to kill.
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Omega

#27
April 04, 2016, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;889431He actually was following the Shaolin Lohan doctrine of "Avoid rather than check, check rather than hurt, hurt rather than maim, maim rather than kill."

And what's the GM's stance on those fights that ARE binary, like some Undead?  Ghouls don't talk, they eat.  Skeletons and Zombies are automatons, and most just attempt to kill.

And animals.

infinitum3d

#28
April 05, 2016, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Nihilistic Mind;889387If it were me, I would step in and get hit to protect others, draw the attention of my enemies away from my allies, defend myself, etc... Don't attack. Seems simple enough. Sacrifice yourself if you gotta, your chosen Deity may seek to intervene then...

This is actually quite brilliant. I can become a target. Load up on armor and...
Wait. That still doesn't stop others from killing...

The whole purpose of this Atonement is to learn a different way of getting through an encounter, rather than just killing everything.

This idea can still be part of my overall action plan though.

dragoner

#29
April 05, 2016, 01:22:17 AM
Use Orwell's argument to say that a pacifist Paladin is basically being complicit with evil.
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