Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;874916"I'm a misogynistic assbucket but can't get away with saying that any man who wants to play a woman is automatically a pansy so I'll distract the conversation by pretending the point is obvious."

Elfdart, don't take the bait.

Ah, the arrogant know it all again. You may very well be a

Quotemisogynistic XXXbuck

, but that does not change the fact that the point is obvious and should not have to be explained. Not a pansy, the correct term is mentally ill. All sexual deviates are mentally ill; however, not all mentally ill people are pansies i.e. cowards. And yes, it is deviate to want to play the opposite sex as your character for years at a time.

Also you arrogant know it all, misogyny is dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women which is entirely different from the dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against male or female perverts who are sexual deviates that want to pretend that they are the opposite sex on a long term ongoing basis. These perverts can find someone elses game to disrupt, they will not do it in mine.

I have nothing against women at all and women are a great plus to have in any game not just OD&D. Women change the dynamics in a very postiive way. Where there is nothing positive about sexual deviates.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;874916"I'm a misogynistic assbucket but can't get away with saying that any man who wants to play a woman is automatically a pansy so I'll distract the conversation by pretending the point is obvious."

Elfdart, don't take the bait.

Ah, the arrogant know it all again. You may very well be a

Quotemisogynistic XXXbuck

, but that does not change the fact that the point is obvious and should not have to be explained. Not a pansy, the correct term is mentally ill. All sexual deviates are mentally ill; however, not all mentally ill people are pansies i.e. cowards. And yes, it is deviate to want to play the opposite sex as your character for years at a time.

Also you arrogant know it all, misogyny is dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women which is entirely different from the dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against male or female perverts who are sexual deviates that want to pretend that they are the opposite sex on a long term ongoing basis. These perverts can find someone elses game to disrupt, they will not do it in mine.

I have nothing against women at all and women are a great plus to have in any game not just OD&D. Women change the dynamics in a very postiive way. Where there is nothing positive about sexual deviates.

Someone tell this knuckle-dragging idiot never to watch the hundreds of plays, operas and films with female actors cast into male roles and vice versa. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;874916"I'm a misogynistic assbucket but can't get away with saying that any man who wants to play a woman is automatically a pansy so I'll distract the conversation by pretending the point is obvious."

Elfdart, don't take the bait.

Quote from: Bren;874917* Orson Welles slow clap  *

:hatsoff:

Both of you can go fuck yourselves.

If you as a DM have not ever had to deal with some neckbearded basement dweller who wanted to play a lesbian stripper ninja stereotype, then you are either very sheltered or just haven't been gaming for that long.

Guy thinks its perverted, then he thinks its perverted. No more, no less. You want to be judgmental assholes who worship at the altar of Social Justice, then take it to RPGNet where that bullshit belongs.

Best not to feed the troll I imagine.

Where's my popcorn, while Gronan tears this guy a new one?

Quote from: Crimhthan;874891Man/woman (opposite of their own gender): Sorry I don't play with perverts

Perverts is rather strong, don't you think?

If I'm honest, I also tend to prefer that people play characters of their own gender, as I'm fundamentally a bit dim. That makes it difficult for me to track the multitude of variables at play in any given session without also ensuring that my pronoun use is also correct. Do you have that problem too? Are you also a bit dim?

Quote from: The Butcher;874973Someone tell this knuckle-dragging idiot never to watch the hundreds of plays, operas and films with female actors cast into male roles and vice versa. :rolleyes:

I've often seen people outraged over an actor playing a different ethnicity than their own, but not gender. Have there been complaints about 'gender misappropriation' regarding females playing Peter Pan?

Quote from: Majus;874996Perverts is rather strong, don't you think?

If I'm honest, I also tend to prefer that people play characters of their own gender, as I'm fundamentally a bit dim. That makes it difficult for me to track the multitude of variables at play in any given session without also ensuring that my pronoun use is also correct. Do you have that problem too? Are you also a bit dim?

* mic drop *

Wow.

I thought all the Social Justice Warriors were at RPGNet.

Has this place become RPGNet Lite?

Quote from: Crimhthan;874891I ref OD&D

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QuoteMan/woman (opposite of their own gender): Sorry I don't play with perverts

Clinically insane person: Sure

Quote from: Crimhthan;874970And yes, it is deviate to want to play the opposite sex as your character for years at a time.

So it would be OK for a one-shot or short campaign?

If a GM tells me to choose my character based on expecting to play that character for years at a time, then I'm going to roll my eyes as a player. And I'll probably bow out of a game that can't muster even the threat of my character dying within a few months, or that won't let me retire a character after a year.

And why is playing a clinically insane person for years at a time just fine, but playing someone different than you (kind of the point of role-playing), but less different than all those non-human races would be, is beyond the pale?

Do you view the Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity and "a room that causes a sex to change" as a fate worse than death, or even expect player characters to kill themselves because of such a curse? Or is that acceptable as long as the players insist they hate it? [OK, that's only in Greyhawk, so it might or might not apply to someone playing OD&D.]

QuoteAlso you arrogant know it all, misogyny is dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women which is entirely different from the dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against male or female perverts who are sexual deviates that want to pretend that they are the opposite sex on a long term ongoing basis. These perverts can find someone elses game to disrupt, they will not do it in mine.

So this guy is a homophobe or just a transphobe, not a misogynist. Please revise your subsequent posts accordingly, Gronan! No response on the assbucket part, so I guess qui tacet consentire videtur and all that.

Quote from: Crimhthan;874891Man/woman (opposite of their own gender): Sorry I don't play with perverts

Clinically insane person: Sure

Dr. Bodak writes carefully in his notebook:

QuoteSubject finds cross-gender role play perverted, but role play as a cannibalistic pedophile acceptable.

"Describe, in single words, only the good things that come to mind about your mother."

Quote from: jeff37923;875014Has this place become RPGNet Lite?

Nope, because he can still post what he thinks. Freedom of speech only entitles you to being heard, not taken seriously.

If he wants to start a calm conversation on the subject and present rational arguments he's welcome to try. Being a betrayed apostate of the authoritarian left, I'm more open to actually listening to right-wing POVs than I used to be - who knows, maybe he has a really compelling, non-emotional argument against transgenderism, although I doubt it.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;875038Nope, because he can still post what he thinks. Freedom of speech only entitles you to being heard, not taken seriously.

This.

"I have a right to my opinion" does not equal "you must treat my opinion as something worth considering."

What always struck me as really stupid about not allowing people to play characters of genders different than their own is that GMs do it all the time.  Does that make them mentally ill?  So ridiculous.