Quote from: valis;844963Yes, It's my blog. I'm pretty sure the original poster is referencing the reshare James posted on Facebook.

Thanks for noticing. :-)

My bad, I honestly thought it was James Mathe's blog. I apologize. If you would like me to change anything in my OP to correct this, I will.

the dungeondelver's post is spot on.

There are some fine and reputable folks who use crowd funding, but it is also a magnet for every shitbag who sees games as a means to an end.

Quote from: Aos;845095There are some fine and reputable folks who use crowd funding, but it is also a magnet for every shitbag who sees games as a means to an end.

So I take it this would be a bad time to announce my Cyber-Dystopian, Western, Post Zombie Apocalypse Kickstarter then?

Quote from: Warboss Squee;845098So I take it this would be a bad time to announce my Cyber-Dystopian, Western, Post Zombie Apocalypse Kickstarter then?

Only if microfame and microprofits are your ultimate goals. If you just want your game in a book, I got no problem with that.

It was a joke.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;845100

It was a joke.

Yeah, I got that.
Sorry to upset you so.

The beauty of scamming people via KickStarter is that if you can find 5,000 suckers to kick in $20 each, that's $100,000 in your pocket, but who's going to go to the trouble to take legal action over a measly $20?

I get the sense that some people don't even bother to keep track of which KickStarters they've backed, so if some project they supported 2 years ago goes awol they might not even notice.

Quote from: Dimitrios;845107The beauty of scamming people via KickStarter is that if you can find 5,000 suckers to kick in $20 each, that's $100,000 in your pocket, but who's going to go to the trouble to take legal action over a measly $20?

It happens:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2015/06/crowdfunding-project-creator-settles-ftc-charges-deception

Quote from: jeff37923;845054My bad, I honestly thought it was James Mathe's blog. I apologize. If you would like me to change anything in my OP to correct this, I will.

I think it would be appropriate to change the attribution.

Quote from: valis;845120I think it would be appropriate to change the attribution.

Done. Message sent to Mods to change the title of thread.

Ravenswing had it right up above except the folks who don't know about Ken Whitman or GNS or OSR also aren't going to be backing Kickstarters for RPGs. The question to me is why are folks who are savvy enough that hey are posting on blogs and fora about RPGs all day  unable to conduct a basic Google search before putting their money in the hands of documented scammers? I dunno. I don't back Kickstarters because (1) got no $ for it and (2) don't have the time to do my due diligence. I finally got my refund on Skarma's Buckaroo Banzai preorder after much hectoring and inquiring. Learned my lesson not to preorder a game without investigating whether it is actually going to be produced. I was naive and thought a preorder meant it was being readied for release.

Quote from: Matt;845138Ravenswing had it right up above except the folks who don't know about Ken Whitman or GNS or OSR also aren't going to be backing Kickstarters for RPGs. The question to me is why are folks who are savvy enough that hey are posting on blogs and fora about RPGs all day  unable to conduct a basic Google search before putting their money in the hands of documented scammers? I dunno. I don't back Kickstarters because (1) got no $ for it and (2) don't have the time to do my due diligence. I finally got my refund on Skarma's Buckaroo Banzai preorder after much hectoring and inquiring. Learned my lesson not to preorder a game without investigating whether it is actually going to be produced. I was naive and thought a preorder meant it was being readied for release.

If there's one thing that video games taught me, is that Gamers of all stripes, whether they're table top or electronic, don't care about products.  We work on promises, and if they don't pan out we get upset, for about a week, and then we move on to the next promise and the next and the next.

Pre-ordering, Early Access, Kickstarter, Indieagogo, all these things do not deliver anything other than Promises.  Will some of these be fulfilled?  Yes, indubitably, but never as intended, and never on time.  But Gamers don't care, they hear the next 'cool thing' and jump onto the bandwagon, hoping to be 'special' enough to get something.  If not, we just try again, and again, and again

Quote from: Christopher Brady;845150If there's one thing that video games taught me, is that Gamers of all stripes, whether they're table top or electronic, don't care about products.  We work on promises, and if they don't pan out we get upset, for about a week, and then we move on to the next promise and the next and the next.

Pre-ordering, Early Access, Kickstarter, Indieagogo, all these things do not deliver anything other than Promises.  Will some of these be fulfilled?  Yes, indubitably, but never as intended, and never on time.  But Gamers don't care, they hear the next 'cool thing' and jump onto the bandwagon, hoping to be 'special' enough to get something.  If not, we just try again, and again, and again

Ya that's why I like Patreon, if you're going to pay out money to people it's a lot safer and less stressful to get a steady stream of small stuff where you get to see regularly exactly what you're paying for.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;845150Pre-ordering, Early Access, Kickstarter, Indieagogo, all these things do not deliver anything other than Promises.  Will some of these be fulfilled?  Yes, indubitably, but never as intended, and never on time.  But Gamers don't care, they hear the next 'cool thing' and jump onto the bandwagon, hoping to be 'special' enough to get something.  If not, we just try again, and again, and again

I gotta plead guilty, though not often. I preordered Fallout 4 and that's the first time I've done that since Oblivion.