Melee redesign? SJG doesn't seem to have done anything to Dark City Games, which has been basically redoing The Fantasy Trip for years now. The TFT rights are owned by Howard Thompson anyway.

Quote from: Omega;833666Verhoven didnt even read the book. He hated it without even reading it and just slapped the title on an existing unrelated script that he hadnt been able to sell.

I suppose it was tough for him to sell as he wasn't the scriptwriter.

Quote from: The_Shadow;833795The Melee redesign, right? I've got that somewhere. So the guy was hounded and cease and desisted? I could certainly see SJ's point of view.

Ogre actually. And the C&D was within their rights as it wasnt just counter rethemes, it was the rules too. But calling the guy a criminal? This coming from the company that would refuse to pay artists? What a chucklefest.

Quote from: The_Shadow;833795The Melee redesign, right? I've got that somewhere. So the guy was hounded and cease and desisted? I could certainly see SJ's point of view.

Quote from: Omega;833938Ogre actually. And the C&D was within their rights as it wasnt just counter rethemes, it was the rules too. But calling the guy a criminal? This coming from the company that would refuse to pay artists? What a chucklefest.

Kwanchai Moriya produced a graphic re-design of both Melee and Ogre.

Quote from: Bilharzia;834215Kwanchai Moriya produced a graphic re-design of both Melee and Ogre.

It was the ogre one that got him in trouble with SJG. Wouldnt surprise me if they went after him over Melee too eventually. Hell, they threaten people making fan material for stuff they dont even own.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;833528TSR != SJG.  I'm talking about a different company, different incident.

You are correct there tdd, sorry for the mix up.

I had no idea TSR got raided.

SJG got raided. Did TSR? I think he was talking about the other part of the comparison, attributing some product to SJG that was a TSR product, not the raid.

SJG got raided for Cyberpunk
TSR got raided for Top Secret

This is the first I'd heard about TSR being raided.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wizards.com%2Fdnd%2FDnDArchives_History.asp&date=2008-10-04

Scroll down to 1980.

Quote from: Ronin;835254http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wizards.com%2Fdnd%2FDnDArchives_History.asp&date=2008-10-04

Scroll down to 1980.

That does not sound so much like a raid as it does an investigation.

I suppose investigation is better wording:)

Oh and found this,
"In the early '80s we published an espionage RPG called Top Secret (later expanded as Top Secret SI). A number of interesting stories arose thereby.

At one point Officials (won't say who) visited to investigate a possible crime, and instead received irrefutable evidence that it was merely a discarded story line for a TS game adventure. However, at least one TSR employee vanished soon thereafter.

One TS adventure that was published involved action on an ocean liner. The deck plans were those of the Achille Lauro. Within a year or two that same liner was hijacked by terrorists. (We never found out whether the PLF used our published material in planning their activity.)

Other strange incidents occurred, all connected to TS. Eventually the game was discontinued, tho the true reasons for that are still..."
Frank Mentzer

Quote from: jeff37923;835259That does not sound so much like a raid as it does an investigation.

When people come into your office and take things away? You've been raided. Raids vary in violence and intensity, but under other circumstances sans raid a judge could have simply ordered them to surrender the computer, etc. However, they were likely worried valuable data would be erased, hence the "need" for a raid vs. an order.

Quote from: Bren;833613That's a relief.

Verhoven's satire of the original was way unsubtle and didn't really seem intended as a total parody - the action is obviously supposed to be actiony. Also he skipped the powered armor, which was far and away the best part of Heinlein's story so a big strike against for that. But to be fair, Heinlein took himself so seriously that in some of his works he comes across to me as self parody.

Mecha shows up in movie #3.  Of course that one also has a Sky Marshal be brainwashed by a brainbug into worshiping a queen as god, and his replacement effectively becomes pope.
and it has this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys

as for the original subject, I was at a friend's place and his stack of GURPS books (I think he had them all) fell over on top of me and broke my toe.  does that count?

Quote from: trechriron;835292When people come into your office and take things away? You've been raided. Raids vary in violence and intensity, but under other circumstances sans raid a judge could have simply ordered them to surrender the computer, etc. However, they were likely worried valuable data would be erased, hence the "need" for a raid vs. an order.

In this case they didnt take anything. I suspect they saw that this material that was found in the trash was fiction, considering it originated at a game company and investigated, just to be sure.