I'm sure just about any company that has multiple shifts you'd have complaints from each shift about how they do the bulk of the work and the other shifts are a bunch of slackers who always leave a mess and unfinished work.

My wife worked at Amazon.

Ugh

What was Amazon like? Those are one of the places I've interviewed for before. Their work/life balance is supposedly terrible.

Their work/life balance is terrible.

My wife got an interview there ~10 years ago, and some other recruiter caught wind and also lined up an interview at Microsoft. At the time we REALLY wanted to move cross-country (we were in central PA).

Amazon... everyone there was frazzled, distracted. Interviewers would pause to check or answer emails during interviews. Ugh. Microsoft looked cool, and that's where she went, instead.

Fast forward, about a year ago she was getting fed up with MS, went to Amazon. The immediate situation was kind of messed up, but they promised 'just as soon as BLAH happens, we'll move you to this other group and you get to do fun stuff.' And, well. Delay delay delay.
And everyone is stressed.

That's in the business managing sorta end. The ground level stuff is, from what I understand, about 100x worse.

(She then got a job offer at Facebook and she's REALLY digging that, though it's long distance until kids' school year is up and we move)

Quote from: Simlasa;814359I've been supervised and/or worked under people for over 2 decades and I'd say the split from my end isn't as complimentary... lazy, selfish, incompetent AND delusional about their own capabilities and value to the company seems to run strong in the management I've dealt with. There's a contingent of folks who just KNOW they should be in charge of others despite all signs to the contrary.
Not all or most... but too many.

Not to mention Harvard Business School studies showing that over 90% of employee "discipline" problems are caused by employees being unable to do their jobs because they lack information, tools, materials, or training.  But it's easier for bosses to berate than train.

And people who say working for the government is an easy job should do it.  The US Census was pathetic; I shit better management than that.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;814416What was Amazon like? Those are one of the places I've interviewed for before. Their work/life balance is supposedly terrible.

They work people to death over there. You get hired without any clear job description, they promise all kinds of bonuses and new opportunities for people who are 'team player' and put in 60 hour work weeks, but those opportunities are usually vague and best and lies at worst.

Quote from: Will;814420Their work/life balance is terrible.

My wife got an interview there ~10 years ago, and some other recruiter caught wind and also lined up an interview at Microsoft. At the time we REALLY wanted to move cross-country (we were in central PA).

Amazon... everyone there was frazzled, distracted. Interviewers would pause to check or answer emails during interviews. Ugh. Microsoft looked cool, and that's where she went, instead.

Fast forward, about a year ago she was getting fed up with MS, went to Amazon. The immediate situation was kind of messed up, but they promised 'just as soon as BLAH happens, we'll move you to this other group and you get to do fun stuff.' And, well. Delay delay delay.
And everyone is stressed.

That's in the business managing sorta end. The ground level stuff is, from what I understand, about 100x worse.

(She then got a job offer at Facebook and she's REALLY digging that, though it's long distance until kids' school year is up and we move)

Quote from: JonWake;814434They work people to death over there. You get hired without any clear job description, they promise all kinds of bonuses and new opportunities for people who are 'team player' and put in 60 hour work weeks, but those opportunities are usually vague and best and lies at worst.

I wonder if Apple or Google is better. Anyone else know anything about those?

I always considered Facebook as a potential place to work but wasn't sure how much staying power it had...

Facebook, so far, is great. Fun campus, a lot of good vibes, smart if a little disorganized corporate culture.

It's also expanding rapidly.

my wife knows a few people who moved from Microsoft to Facebook and are very happy.

I do not understand what relevance WotC's employment practices have on my rpg consumption choices.

Frankly, I figure anyone who choses to go into the rpg industry as a career choice is making a serious mistake.

Quote from: Old One Eye;814440I do not understand what relevance WotC's employment practices have on my rpg consumption choices.

Frankly, I figure anyone who choses to go into the rpg industry as a career choice is making a serious mistake.

If nobody wants to work there, the company will be filled with incompetents who don't care about their job and they'll put out bad products.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;814441If nobody wants to work there, the company will be filled with incompetents who don't care about their job and they'll put out bad products.

Then you just don't buy them?  :huhsign::idunno:

Quote from: jeff37923;814443Then you just don't buy them?  :huhsign::idunno:

Which I care about, because consequently there won't be cool new D&D products I want to buy.

Is the flow of this really that weird?

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;814436I wonder if Apple or Google is better. Anyone else know anything about those?

Apple sucked when I worked there...

I lasted 3-4 months as a senior line technician. Production Line quality control was horrendous, and that wasn't coming from the folks on the line. It was mainly created by engineers creating badly designed circuit boards. It seemed to me like the Engineers there were putting their fingers in their ears and would just recite "La-la-la-la-la" mantras all day long when they weren't actually blowing millions of dollars on faulty outsourced circuit board design. I went to them multiple times to see about getting production line defects corrected only to be turned away. Rudely.

I also managed to get a reprimand for writing a complete troubleshooting manual teaching other techs how to actually test and fix iMac PC motherboards.

At the time, they were more interested at Apple in the Japanese slave worker Kanban mentality than producing quality PCs. It almost killed them as a company. Then Steve Jobs came back, but I was already happily gone, and never looked back.

When Steve Jobs got back he fired most of the Engineers, let the line workers go, closed all the US manufacturing plants, and outsourced all Apple hardware production to Chinese slave labor, Yes, FoxConn, I'm looking at you!

The iOS operating system also sucked. I had to use a network analyzer on known good motherboards and literally figured out how the motherboards were put together and operated, and it wasn't pretty. They made Microsoft look good!

If anything, they have just gotten worse. Year before last, I had to disassemble an iPod just to change out the battery. The battery was actually soldered in, basically the unit was not designed for repair or even to quick change the battery. It was designed to be thrown away if it failed, and that was a deliberate design choice. My wife still ran to Apple like a camp follower ranting "take my money" when the new iPhones came out.

Ah chinese slave workers.  The last place where you make your shitty products because lets face it if you actually made good products you wouldn't need cheap labor to sell your goods.

Yes I know Apple sells like hot cakes, but that is due to the branding and nothing else.  Pretty sure if you remove the branding and just gave the phones to people they would ditch it within weeks for far better phones.

Too bad trying to boycott Foxconn would basically take you back to the 1970s tech wise. Fuckers make everything.