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How much realism do you like in your rpg's?

Started by Wood Elf, December 12, 2014, 10:03:21 PM

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TristramEvans

#120
January 22, 2015, 03:10:11 AM
Quote from: Tetsubo;811021I always saw the Marvel mutants as a metaphor for the gay community. Most of them can 'pass' while not being like the majority. Though it can be applied to many minority groups.

Brian Singer certainly saw them that way. Pretty sure Stan and Jack had a more generic "minority" analogy in mind though.

Tetsubo

#121
January 22, 2015, 07:27:52 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;811442Brian Singer certainly saw them that way. Pretty sure Stan and Jack had a more generic "minority" analogy in mind though.

I'm not sure I ever read any Singer. It's been a very long time since I was a 'comic book guy'. I also rarely paid attention to who was doing the writing. I was far more into artists.

TristramEvans

#122
January 22, 2015, 08:02:12 AM
Quote from: Tetsubo;811462I'm not sure I ever read any Singer. It's been a very long time since I was a 'comic book guy'. I also rarely paid attention to who was doing the writing. I was far more into artists.

Singer is the film-maker who did the first 2 x-men films and Days of Future Past, best known for The Usual Suspects

Soylent Green

#123
January 22, 2015, 08:10:32 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;811018Yeah, I always thought that was a silly element that arose gradually out of the X-books.  You're totally cool if you're a superhero and people love you, unless you're a mutant. Or Spider-man.

But the guy who can light himself on fire is totally cool, because cosmic rays.

I think the difference is that at some level mutants are in evolutionary competition with homo sapiens. As such I can see how instinctively the public at large (rarely the most enlightened bunch) see them as an existential threat to the human race rather than the next step in evolution.

I'm not saying this is proper science fiction, as in the sort of meangiful sociological speculation you might find in the book of Ursula LeGuin, but it sort of works and makes about as much as anything else in comics.
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rawma

#124
January 22, 2015, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;811018Yeah, I always thought that was a silly element that arose gradually out of the X-books.  You're totally cool if you're a superhero and people love you, unless you're a mutant. Or Spider-man.

But the guy who can light himself on fire is totally cool, because cosmic rays.

I expect Spider-man is unpopular because everyone is sure he's actually a mutant. Otherwise all the mutants would claim they were bitten by radioactive whatever and everyone would be OK with that. Like claiming to have gotten AIDS from a mosquito bite.

The guy who sets himself on fire? Heroic astronaut afflicted by a tragic accident, and you and your family are not likely to be similarly afflicted unless you go into outer space.

So the premise of dislike specific to mutants isn't that bad, although one has to wonder why "good at PR" is never a mutant power.

Brad

#125
January 23, 2015, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: rawma;811635I expect Spider-man is unpopular because everyone is sure he's actually a mutant.

The Xmen don't like Spiderman because he's not a mutant which leads me to believe one of Spiderman's major powers is Public Distrust.
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#126
January 23, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
In the ultimate universe, Peter Parker Spider-man often would have to say "I'm not a mutant, not that there is anything wrong with that." in response to being accused of being a mutant.

And most of the X-Men in the mainstream universe like Spidey. Even Wolverine does. In his own way. (He even spent his birthday with Spidey at one point, because he didn't feel he had anyone else to spend it with.)

rawma

#127
January 23, 2015, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: Brad;811809The Xmen don't like Spiderman because he's not a mutant which leads me to believe one of Spiderman's major powers is Public Distrust.

He got spider powers from that bite, and Freaking Lots Of People Out appears to be a spider power, so it makes sense.

TristramEvans

#128
January 24, 2015, 01:21:59 AM
They know who isnt a Mutant on Earth 616, because they didnt get chased by Sentinels.

Nexus

#129
January 24, 2015, 01:28:51 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;811999They know who isnt a Mutant on Earth 616, because they didnt get chased by Sentinels.

What about a mutant who's primary power is invisibility to mutant detection methods?
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TristramEvans

#130
January 24, 2015, 01:32:57 AM
Quote from: Nexus;812000What about a mutant who's primary power is invisibility to mutant detection methods?

I'm not familiar with that character.


But thats obviously not Spider-man.


Spidey's reputation is largely based on a decades-long smear campaign from a media publisher.

rawma

#131
January 24, 2015, 01:33:22 AM
Quote from: Nexus;812000What about a mutant who's primary power is invisibility to mutant detection methods?

How could you ever know if she was a mutant with invisibility to mutant detection methods or a non-mutant who was of course not detected by mutant detection methods?

Nexus

#132
January 24, 2015, 01:36:44 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;812001I'm not familiar with that character.


But thats obviously not Spider-man.


Spidey's reputation is largely based on a decades-long smear campaign from a media publisher.

I'm just tossing out hypotheticals!


And I was joking. :)
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TristramEvans

#133
January 24, 2015, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: rawma;812002How could you ever know if she was a mutant with invisibility to mutant detection methods or a non-mutant who was of course not detected by mutant detection methods?

Schroedinger's X-gene

Nexus

#134
January 24, 2015, 01:38:10 AM
Quote from: rawma;812002How could you ever know if she was a mutant with invisibility to mutant detection methods or a non-mutant who was of course not detected by mutant detection methods?

Or maybe a mutant bitten by a radioactive human so she gained amazing human powers*! The Amazing Girl-girl!

*like not showing up on mutant detectors.
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