That's something I never thought about: monstrous humanoids ought to count towards total population.

Quote from: Scott Anderson;785438That's something I never thought about: monstrous humanoids ought to count towards total population.

http://celtricia.pbworks.com/w/page/14956529/Trabler
yep.  I do all my nations as acculturated and total.

... Is that population 395 billion people?

Re fantasy villages; mine pretty well always have a palisade around them. It would never occur to me to do differently, except when running published adventures with their undefended villages in the howling wilderness. Even then I tend to stick a palisade around them unless they need to be undefended for Plot purposes.

The heavily defended farm/steading as seen in eg the Scottish Borders is another good model, one which I've only tended to use in Norse-type areas though - I should make more use of it in my core areas such as Loudwater in my FR game.

Quote from: Scott Anderson;785414Yes. They actually teach this now. Most college professors hate America and want to make absolutely sure we know how awesome every other place in the world is compared to Western civilization.

The first lecture I got in History in college was half about how muslims never took slaves for life and treated them much better than Christians; and the other half was how George W Bush is the devil.

This in about 2010.

OK thanks, suspected as much. Even though I sympathise with their POV re Dubya.

Quote from: Will;785452... Is that population 395 billion people?

no.  thank you.  fixed.
http://celtricia.pbworks.com/w/page/27766668/The%20Bright%20Lands  use this example instead.

Quote from: Scott Anderson;785414Most college professors hate America

No doubt some professors do. Just like some rightists clearly hate
America. But most professors? Let's see your strong supporting data for this wacky statement, otherwise I call BULLSHIT!

Quote from: Bren;785501No doubt some professors do. Just like some rightists clearly hate
America. But most professors? Let's see your strong supporting data for this wacky statement, otherwise I call BULLSHIT!

Okay here's my supporting evidence.

Of the donations from professors to republican candidates and to Obama for president in 2008 and 2012, 92% went to Obama. And his number one stated purpose is to fundamentally transform America. Which he has done.

That's how I know they hate America. You wanna fucking call me the fuck out on fucking America-hating academics, you can fucking bite me.  I know my enemies. Do you?

STFU with off-topic crap please.

This is a board about games.

Quote from: Bren;785501No doubt some professors do. Just like some rightists clearly hate
America.

The ones with swastikas on their lapels, I guess.

I supppose you could argue the Libertarians & trad-cons hate modern America, but they mostly adhere to ideas of a desired previous or potential America. There are a few throne-&-altar trad-cons who do hate America itself (they are against the Revolution which separated America from Britain), but they're a pretty tiny minority within the USA. They went to Canada.

That's a very good point, Simon, there are very few royalists in America of any kind and have not been for 150 years.

I must however take exception, respectfully, that nazis, paleo or neo, are conservative in the way we mean the word in America.  That is a lie told by members of the left that has gained some great traction in America over the last 50 years.

This article might be of interest to people in this thread. I haven't read it yet, but it looks appropriate.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/pdf/broadberry/medievalpopulation.pdf

Quote from: Scott Anderson;785513I must however take exception, respectfully, that nazis, paleo or neo, are conservative in the way we mean the word in America.  That is a lie told by members of the left that has gained some great traction in America over the last 50 years.

Nazis are radicals not conservatives, but there is a reactionary element in Nazi ideology so there is some truth in classing them as on 'the right' even though they don't really fit into the original (Revolutionary France) left-right spectrum, of left-wing radicals and right-wing conservative monarchists. But American Whig-Liberal Republicans don't really fit into the spectrum either. Of course there are left-wing elements in Nazism too, hence National Socialism. Actual Neo-Nazis seem to hate the mainstream US Left & Right about equally, but less extreme white nationalists do often seem to see themselves as closer to the mainstream Right, from what I can tell. That may be a modern phenomenon to do with recent racial polarisation though; fifty years ago they would have been in, or closer to, the Democrats than the Republicans.

Sorry for OT, will stop now.

Quote from: ptingler;785519This article might be of interest to people in this thread. I haven't read it yet, but it looks appropriate.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/economichistory/pdf/broadberry/medievalpopulation.pdf

Some good stuff in there, thanks! Looks like population density by county was pretty low in 1086, I wonder how much lower it would have been in say 500? Or even 700?

Let me apologize to people not calling bullshit on me for derailing the thread too. It was at least half on me. The whole reason I am in the thread in the first place is because I am also interested in learning both about medieval demographics, and their fantasy analogue.