I run for a bunch of middle-aged guys. Everyone has already purchased their PHB's. I'm the only GM but I already know most of them will also purchase those too.

After 4 sessions with 5e, I'm more than confident this system has legs, my last grain of skepticism is reserved for the DMG. But honestly, even without it, I could houserule the PHB to my satisfaction with less energy and work than I ever houseruled 3.x/PF, and possibly even 1e -2e.

And there's plenty to build on. Most importantly my players love it. And I'm having fun with it - unlike 4e, which we all disliked for various reasons. I'm still poring over it in actual play, but 5e is feeling like a keeper. (note: I'm not saying it's my favorite edition. I'm still weighing that. But it's running a very close second at least, which is far and away better than I thought it would ever do.)

(now Mike can hire me for a Kara-Tur and Al-Qadim splat, and I swear to Galactus I'll consult with Zak and Pundit just to flip the double finger at TBP)

Quote from: Old Geezer;778707Ah, but "I am the referee.  This is my world.  I make the rules.  Part of the game is discovering the rules empirically.  By coming to the table, you explicitly agree to this."

Then laugh, at those delicious bitter tears of rage at the tpk by a flumph.

Quote from: Old Geezer;778297It may well have good features.

I'm just annoyed by the near-universal reaction that I'm somehow wrong for not wanting to buy it.  A thread about "let's all talk about how awesome this game is" is not the same as a thread about "what is your opinion."

That is perfectly fair.  D&D 5E cannot be all things to all people.  Despite the propaganda.  There are things I can see that work a touch better in AD&D.  So preferences are all to the good.

Sometimes I think we need a signature that clarifies that saying "this game is not my cup of tea" is in no way equivalent to "this game is bad."

I generally do not enjoy poker, but it is clearly a good game based on how many folks love it.

Jeff Grubb's thoughts, thought it might be of interest.

Quote from: Raven;778724Jeff Grubb's thoughts, thought it might be of interest.

Nice.

Quote from: Votan;778719That is perfectly fair.  D&D 5E cannot be all things to all people.  Despite the propaganda.  There are things I can see that work a touch better in AD&D.  So preferences are all to the good.

Sometimes I think we need a signature that clarifies that saying "this game is not my cup of tea" is in no way equivalent to "this game is bad."

I generally do not enjoy poker, but it is clearly a good game based on how many folks love it.

And there's no saying I wouldn't like 5E if I played it.  I CERTAINLY would play it if given a chance.  But it's very unlikely I'll BUY it because it's more pages than I want to plow through.

A couple weeks ago I played Fate and "Xcrawl"/Pathfinder for the first time.  I had a lot of fun, but I'm not going to buy either one.

I love Munchkin.  I own none of the sets, but play frequently.  And I've played a shitload more miniatures since I got rid of all my miniatures.

I'm a cheap old bastard and the burden of proof hasn't been met for 5E.  That's all.

Quote from: Old Geezer;778728I'm a cheap old bastard and the burden of proof hasn't been met for 5E.  That's all.

What? Honesty finally! I already knew you would deal with 5e well especially with some simple tweaks.

Quote from: Raven;778724Jeff Grubb's thoughts, thought it might be of interest.

Oh, Crom's hairy nutsack, it "quotes from D&D novels."

So D&D finally HAS disappeared up its own ass.

Quote from: Marleycat;778729What? Honesty finally! I already knew you would deal with 5e well especially with some simple tweaks.

Honesty finally, my ass.  I've said all along I was looking at it only for myself, and I've said all along any new edition of a game I play has to meet the burden of proof of being better than what I have already.

Quote from: Old Geezer;778734Honesty finally, my ass.  I've said all along I was looking at it only for myself, and I've said all along any new edition of a game I play has to meet the burden of proof of being better than what I have already.

You are such a grump you know? By the way Dnd disappeared up it's own ass about the time that OD&D wasn't the only way to play (which was about 5 minutes after it was for sale fyi).

Quote from: Marleycat;778735You are such a grump you know? By the way Dnd disappeared up it's own ass about the time that OD&D wasn't the only way to play (which was about 5 minutes after it was for sale fyi).

I'm a grump because of people saying stupid shit, and on this thread you're the champ.  "I won't buy 5E because it has too many words" may be a stupid reason, but it at least is a reason.

Your entire contribution to this thread has been variations on the theme of "Anybody who doesn't like 5E is a big dumb ol' meanie-head."

Which I am, but not because I don't want to buy 5E.

Quote from: Old Geezer;778738I'm a grump because of people saying stupid shit, and on this thread you're the champ.  "I won't buy 5E because it has too many words" may be a stupid reason, but it at least is a reason.

Your entire contribution to this thread has been variations on the theme of "Anybody who doesn't like 5E is a big dumb ol' meanie-head."

Which I am, but not because I don't want to buy 5E.

No, you sir are a passive aggressive TBP shithead that won't ever buy another version of Dnd unless at held at gunpoint, if then. To you it's still 1976 in my opinion. So again why do you give a fuck about the game or my opinion? You've made that crystal clear multiple times on multiple sites. You, not somebody else.

You might buy the 3 main books for some reason other than knowing enough to threadcrap but by your own words you'll never commit or invest in the game so it's nice when you stop your vapid quips and give your honest and real view is all.

You'll keep playing/running your game and others will move on and play a version that matches their preference. Everyone is happy now right?

Other critics have either not bought it or if they buy it either said they will run it but with houserules or if it isn't their cup of tea likely skip it or maybe play it if it's the only choice. But you keep saying "I got my game and people" so why care?

You see me threadcrap a thread about FATE or Dungeon World? No, because I don't play them or actually care about them. Kind of like when I'm at other game sites I never participate in 4e discussions or when I'm at a football site I don't talk about anything but the Seahawks.

Oh there's lot of passive-aggressive purple shitheads here, but Geezer ain't one of 'em.  He's a self-aggrandizing, self-promoting grumpy-ass shithead, but that's ok, he'll be the first to tell you so.

And in this instance, he's 100% right Marley.  There are threads where you talk about 5e in a positive light, and then there's the rest of the threads where you hunt down any criticism of the game system and yell at everyone until they go away.

Grow the fuck up already or get the fuck out, this shit is getting beyond tiring.

I am going to say things about 5e you will like.
I am going to say things about 5e you will not like.
There is nothing you can do to stop me in either case.
Attempt to talk and we'll talk.
Throw out some jackass version of "Go Away Old Guy, nyah nyah nyah!" and I'll say more things you don't like.
Rinse and Repeat, what fun.

Quote from: dragoner;778715Then laugh, at those delicious bitter tears of rage at the tpk by a flumph.

I really need these flumph stats for 5e...

This would be the part of Golden Girls where someone reached for the 'cheesecake of peace'.