Quote from: Imp;762858I can sorta guess the other two, but what's a nothic? I must know!

It's a bipedal creature with a giant eyeball as a head. https://www.google.com/search?q=nothic&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9eCxU7iPC6KG8QG4m

Quote from: Necrozius;762778AAAAND I made the mistake of going to the purple forum to discuss the starter set with the folks over there and got shat on.

They are freaking out over the inclusion of the new Gauntlets of Ogre Power which boost a PCs Strength to 19. Now granted, that IS a big deal, but to them it means that not only is the Fighter invalidated, but that PCs are now totally dependent on magic items to be effective.

What the hell? The Wizard, Cleric and Rogue look pretty damned competent sans-magic items up to level 5. I DARED to say that they're overreacting and if they hate the magic item so much that they could just play without it.

Now I see why you guys dislike that place so much. What a bunch of twats.



The Ogre and the Young Green Dragon look pretty dangerous. Spoiler: the dragon's poison breath is a DC 16 Constitution save or else you get 12d6 poison damage!!!

Quote from: Necrozius;762836I hope so. I went from completely apathetic to very excited over his edition. It is kind of disheartening to see an entire thread screaming that the sky is falling because of one magic item... I mean: HELL we don't even know the full context yet. Are they all uber obsessed with PvP or something? It's just oNE magic item and they're treating it like a personal insult to the hobby.

You have to understand that most of the regulars in that forum are bitter non-gamers whose hobby has become system analysis. But it's a banning offence to point out that problems in theory are not necessarily problems at the table.

The good news is the relentless hostility to 5E on TBP, along with the inevitability that even the most well-intentioned newbies will be sanctioned by the mods, means this site will likely see a big upturn in members and activity as 5E picks up steam.

How the hell is everyone getting it already?  My Amazon preorder says July 14th.

Same here. I got it, read Phandalin and the items and monster sections. Now between a baby, work tomorrow and a holiday I won't be able to go too in depth until everyone else has it.

How I got it early I don't know. I pre-ordered from Indigo and it shipped early.

The monster list is below if anyone is interested:

Bugbear CL 1
Commoner CL 0
Cultist CL 1/8
Doppelganger CL 3
Evil Mage CL 1
Flameskull CL 4
Ghoul CL 1
Giant Spider CL 1
Goblin CL 1/4
Grick CL 2
Hobgoblin CL 1/2
Nothic CL 2
Ochre Jelly CL 2
Ogre CL 2
Orc CR 1/2
Owlbear CL 3
Ruffian CL 1/2
Skeleton CL 1/4
Spectator CL 3
Stirge CL 1/8
Twig Blight CL 1/8
Wolf CL 1/4
Young Green Dragon CL 8
Wraith CL 3
Zombie CL 1/4

Left out NPC's and important characters, these are just the monsters.

1/8th? Those must be used in pretty serious numbers I would think.

Quote from: Marleycat;7632051/8th? Those must be used in pretty serious numbers I would think.

not a fan of fractions.  Why not go by "level of one PC" rather than "levels of party of 4 PC" to figure out the number?

Quote from: grimshwiz;763203The monster list is below if anyone is interested:

Bugbear CL 1
Commoner CL 0
Cultist CL 1/8
Doppelganger CL 3
Evil Mage CL 1
Flameskull CL 4
Ghoul CL 1
Giant Spider CL 1
Goblin CL 1/4
Grick CL 2
Hobgoblin CL 1/2
Nothic CL 2
Ochre Jelly CL 2
Ogre CL 2
Orc CR 1/2
Owlbear CL 3
Ruffian CL 1/2
Skeleton CL 1/4
Spectator CL 3
Stirge CL 1/8
Twig Blight CL 1/8
Wolf CL 1/4
Young Green Dragon CL 8
Wraith CL 3
Zombie CL 1/4

Left out NPC's and important characters, these are just the monsters.

What is the Grick? A sort of land squid/worm combo?

Quote from: Omega;763223What is the Grick? A sort of land squid/worm combo?

Prestty much yes. They are originally from the 3rd edition MM.

Not liking that list, looks like an opportunity for whining.

Well, I got a chance to go through the box.  As others have said, the production quality is very good.  There is a ton of content for the price you're paying, and I can't see how anyone can complain about that.

My FLGS, like most stores, are hosting game session demos, where people can learn the game.  Not only have they agreed to let me DM a lot of these demos, but I'll be doing it with my own adventure campaign, which is strongly modeled after the old school style of play.  The only stipulation is that all rules we play with have to be official 5e published rules, so nothing out of the playtest or homebrew classes/spells/monsters.  That's easy enough to stick with things from the starter box and the basic rules.  

Because time is limited for these demos, pregens will be used as well.  But rather than be limited to starter box pregens, I am allowed to create my own using the basic rules.

I'm pretty stoked because it's an opportunity to show people right there along side the other demos an old school style of play.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;763235I'm pretty stoked because it's an opportunity to show people right there along side the other demos an old school style of play.

Rock it old school like 1966.

Just kidding, have fun. :cool:

Quote from: Sacrosanct;763235Well, I got a chance to go through the box.  As others have said, the production quality is very good.  There is a ton of content for the price you're paying, and I can't see how anyone can complain about that.

My FLGS, like most stores, are hosting game session demos, where people can learn the game.  Not only have they agreed to let me DM a lot of these demos, but I'll be doing it with my own adventure campaign, which is strongly modeled after the old school style of play.  The only stipulation is that all rules we play with have to be official 5e published rules, so nothing out of the playtest or homebrew classes/spells/monsters.  That's easy enough to stick with things from the starter box and the basic rules.  

Because time is limited for these demos, pregens will be used as well.  But rather than be limited to starter box pregens, I am allowed to create my own using the basic rules.

I'm pretty stoked because it's an opportunity to show people right there along side the other demos an old school style of play.

Sounds very cool. You should tell your players exactly what you did so they can see how flexible the game can be.

The WoC web page says they have DDN conversion notes for the hard cover collections of old dungeons, including Dungeons of Dread and Against the Slavers. But I couldn't see any links for this conversion notes on the relevant web pages. Anyone know what's up here?

Quote from: grimshwiz;763203The monster list is below if anyone is interested:

Bugbear CL 1
Commoner CL 0
Cultist CL 1/8
Doppelganger CL 3
Evil Mage CL 1
Flameskull CL 4
Ghoul CL 1
Giant Spider CL 1
Goblin CL 1/4
Grick CL 2
Hobgoblin CL 1/2
Nothic CL 2
Ochre Jelly CL 2
Ogre CL 2
Orc CR 1/2
Owlbear CL 3
Ruffian CL 1/2
Skeleton CL 1/4
Spectator CL 3
Stirge CL 1/8
Twig Blight CL 1/8
Wolf CL 1/4
Young Green Dragon CL 8
Wraith CL 3
Zombie CL 1/4

Left out NPC's and important characters, these are just the monsters.

Hm. Curious list. Mostly fitting. I wonder if some of the more unusual ones like the Twig Blight and the Spectator will make it into the Basic PDF or what.

Also, dude, Spectator. Beholderkin are back!