I thought we were all playing 4e Essentials? Simple range of evergreen products right?

Lol, it is too bad that they didn't release those books first, they generally were much more D&D than than the core books.  

I spent ~$50 or so buying an Essentials lot off ebay for a family member when it was launched.  I wonder if they have been pulped yet?

Quote from: Teazia;748003Lol, it is too bad that they didn't release those books first, they generally were much more D&D than than the core books.  

I spent ~$50 or so buying an Essentials lot off ebay for a family member when it was launched.  I wonder if they have been pulped yet?

If they had titled the 'Heroes of' books "Player's Book 1" and "Player's Book 2" they would probably have done fine, instead of being an epic marketing fail.

Quote from: Teazia;748003Lol, it is too bad that they didn't release those books first, they generally were much more D&D than than the core books.  

I agree, my 4e essentials campaign was one of the best I've ever run in any system, and it was with a group of complete newbies to boot.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;748029I agree, my 4e essentials campaign was one of the best I've ever run in any system, and it was with a group of complete newbies to boot.

Almost as if new players that just are there to have fun works better than veteran players that just bitch how its not the game system they think is perfect.

D&D Essentials is an excellent game system and format. D&D 4E didn't interest me until I saw the game in the Essentials format. Now I'm running a campaign for it with a bunch of 30+ year D&D vets and having a great time. The books are extremely well designed and laid out - the best I've seen in RPG publishing. Two digest players books for the players to share, featuring distinct and traditional classes; a comprehensive but compact rules compendium that gets handed around for lookups; well-organized digest DM manual with sound planning tools; and a Monster vault that has flavourful background for all the creatures, as well as tokens for every one. And the vaults include a mini-campaign for levels 2-6. Great value for the CDN $120 I paid.

The intelligence and professionalism demonstrated in the Essentials books is one of the reasons I'm optimistic about Next.

Essentials is the 4e we should have gotten from the beginning... The two years of paid playtesting we got initially was a joke...

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;748086Essentials is the 4e we should have gotten from the beginning... The two years of paid playtesting we got initially was a joke...

About a month or so ago I was talking to the owner at my FLGS and he said that if essentials came out first, we wouldn't be talking about 5e right now.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;748115About a month or so ago I was talking to the owner at my FLGS and he said that if essentials came out first, we wouldn't be talking about 5e right now.

4e was the Windows ME of the D&D brand.

And 6 years without a new edition? We'd still probably be seeing 5e about now anyway

Quote from: bryce0lynch;746989The Origins event list is out.

There is 1 BASIC D&D game.
There are about 23 1st ed games.
There are 7 3.5 games.
There are 4 4e games.
There are 206 Pathfinder games.

The question is how many of those Pathfinder games will actually be fully or even partially occupied?
It wouldn't be the first time there was an excess of tables booked by zealous fans or even by a gaming company looking to make itself dominant.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;748473The question is how many of those Pathfinder games will actually be fully or even partially occupied?
It wouldn't be the first time there was an excess of tables booked by zealous fans or even by a gaming company looking to make itself dominant.

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While it appalls me that Pathfinder is the giant on the block, I'll take 1/10th playing 1E.

Quote from: RPGPundit;748473It wouldn't be the first time there was an excess of tables booked by zealous fans or even by a gaming company looking to make itself dominant.

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Haven't been to a big show the last couple of years, however when I was there... Paizo's game room was overflowing, and there was usually a big line of players waiting for any available game.

Pretty sure the big SWAG Wheel of Fortune had something to do with that. If u were upvoted at your table, or if the GM thought you played awesomely, you'd get fake paizo gold coins which you could trade for spins on that wheel of fortune, which, in the right circumstances led to draws out of the Paizo Treasure Chest.

Brilliant Marketing, really... ...they kept that treasure chest stocked with new stuff, standard stuff, and even threw in special items, items that had been out of print, or old gaming stuff that hadn't seen the light of day in more than a decade, stuff from the dark shelves of Paizo's Warehouse 13.

Quote from: Mistwell;747635WOTC is not competing with Paizo, because they've opted to focus on the brand over the RPG this round.  They honestly don't seem to care if the RPG is first or second place, as long as the brand overall is making lots of money.

D&D Kree-O Lego knock-offs.
Another version of Dungeon!
Probably more euro board games like Lords of Waterdeep or tile crawlers like Castle Ravenloft.
Books. Lots of books.
No movie though unless they can get rid of the problem with Solomon finally. Which may also be preventing other media like TV series.
Possibly another comic series?

Quote from: Omega;748956D&D Kree-O Lego knock-offs.
Another version of Dungeon!
Probably more euro board games like Lords of Waterdeep or tile crawlers like Castle Ravenloft.
Books. Lots of books.
No movie though unless they can get rid of the problem with Solomon finally. Which may also be preventing other media like TV series.
Possibly another comic series?

I think the movie problem is resolved, or looking like it's about to be resolved.

TV show I think is possible.

Lots of licensing deals I think.

Quote from: Mistwell;749074I think the movie problem is resolved, or looking like it's about to be resolved.

TV show I think is possible.

Lots of licensing deals I think.

wut?