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How many of us are wargamers?

Started by Gronan of Simmerya, April 19, 2014, 06:05:31 PM

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Gronan of Simmerya

April 19, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
Just what it says on the tin.

"Wargamer" for the sake of discussion is anything from Diplomacy to Risk to Stratego to Avalon Hill to SPI to any of a myriad of miniatures wargames.

By "Wargamer" let's assume I mean "played more than once or twice and like them," just for the sake of discussion.

I have some hypotheses about "unstated expectations," you see.

(No, I don't thing wargamers are more "macho."  A bunch of pudgy guys pushing little tanks around a ping pong table is about as far from "macho" as you can get and still have Y chromosomes involved.)
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GnomeWorks

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April 19, 2014, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: Old Geezer;743650Risk

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#2
April 19, 2014, 06:11:47 PM
I am to a limited degree. My main problem that nowadays I'm a cheap bastard. So I cook up my own rule sets. Ive been working on a project for well over a year now. Similar to the AK47, Modern Havok: Bongolesia. I'm developing my own imagination african hell hole pitting scrappy corrupt rebels vs a completely corrupt government force.
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YourSwordisMine

#3
April 19, 2014, 06:17:31 PM
Hmm I've never thought of modern miniatures games as wargames. I speak of Warhammer Fantasy/40K, Warmachine and Hordes, Malifaux, or Infinity. Saga, which is historical is more of a minis game and not a Wargame.

If you were asking if I was a Minis gamer, then yes, I could answer that as definitely. I play a wide variety of minis games and have far more minis than I really should... Most of which are unassembled, and few if even painted...
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Gronan of Simmerya

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April 19, 2014, 06:22:14 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;743657Hmm I've never thought of modern miniatures games as wargames. I speak of Warhammer Fantasy/40K, Warmachine and Hordes, Malifaux, or Infinity. Saga, which is historical is more of a minis game and not a Wargame.

How can it not be a wargame?  Is it two or more bunches of people shooting/stabbing/swording at each other?  Sounds like a wargame to me.

"Wargame" is a game about war.  If "In the dark future of Warhammer 40K there is only war," or whatever the slogan is, how is that not a wargame?
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

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YourSwordisMine

#5
April 19, 2014, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: Old Geezer;743660How can it not be a wargame?  Is it two or more bunches of people shooting/stabbing/swording at each other?  Sounds like a wargame to me.

"Wargame" is a game about war.  If "In the dark future of Warhammer 40K there is only war," or whatever the slogan is, how is that not a wargame?

I don't know... For me wargames are ASL, Fortress Europa, mass scale Nepoleonics, Car Wars, Ogre, Star Fleet Battles; even Battletech skirts the line between wargame and modern minis game. I think its just a perception I've held since I first got into gaming 30 years ago...

Modern minis games just don't seem to have the level of detail I would expect from an actual wargame...
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#6
April 19, 2014, 06:31:10 PM
Huh, only minis I had were martian metals for snapshot. Owned Imperium before Traveller, first chess lessons around 8-9, played first "wargame" was probably Afrika Korps or The Russian Campaign (still own 'em); my Father was mil intel, he thought I should get ready, and by God, as a cold warrior I was always ready to lead a armored assault. The games were more fun than being an errand boy sent by grocery clerks though, Ogre never left me with a limp and years of physical therapy.
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Ronin

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April 19, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;743664I don't know... For me wargames are ASL, Fortress Europa, mass scale Nepoleonics, Car Wars, Ogre, Star Fleet Battles; even Battletech skirts the line between wargame and modern minis game. I think its just a perception I've held since I first got into gaming 30 years ago...

Modern minis games just don't seem to have the level of detail I would expect from an actual wargame...

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#8
April 19, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
My first ship had a Star Fleet Battles roster and we regularly challenged each other. Best games were when we were in port and we could use the Combat Information Center to lay down the maps.
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Ravenswing

#9
April 19, 2014, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;743657Hmm I've never thought of modern miniatures games as wargames. I speak of Warhammer Fantasy/40K, Warmachine and Hordes, Malifaux, or Infinity. Saga, which is historical is more of a minis game and not a Wargame.
They were calling minis games "wargames" over a century ago.  What in your mind disqualifies them from that name?
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Necrozius

#10
April 19, 2014, 06:38:17 PM
I said that I wasn't but 15 years ago I played Warhammer and Necromunda and Mordheim. Haven't actually played in about 12 years.

YourSwordisMine

#11
April 19, 2014, 06:39:45 PM
Quote from: Ronin;743667Try out Fist Full of TOW's and come back and see me.

Well, with a cursory glance at it, this fits more to my idea of a wargame than a modern minis game (i.e. 40k, WarmaHordes, Infinity).
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Benoist

#12
April 19, 2014, 06:44:57 PM
Fantasy (Tractics D&D mashup? Fuck yes!), historical (Alexander the Great right now), minis on a sand table, chits, just bring it.

dragoner

#13
April 19, 2014, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: YourSwordisMine;743664I don't know... For me wargames are ASL, Fortress Europa, mass scale Nepoleonics, Car Wars, Ogre, Star Fleet Battles; even Battletech skirts the line between wargame and modern minis game. I think its just a perception I've held since I first got into gaming 30 years ago...

We played stuff with rocco, like SL; big hobby store near me had one giant room for trains (HO here), one for slot cars (I forget how many I had), and one for a huge WW2 terrain setup. This is mid-70's as well, by the late 70's-early 80's you had a ton of different minis, like micro-armor and space armada(?). I remember playing Jutland with minis, pretty cool.
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Grey Wanderer

#14
April 19, 2014, 07:08:06 PM
I used to play tons of minis games. All the GW stuff, WRG, DBA/DBM, HOTT, and weird random fantasy minis games we'd try out once in a while.

Less familiar with hex and counter wargames, though I did play a lot of Elric and Dragon Pass at one point.

I'd love to play more, but just don't have the time, or ability to get opponents together regularly.
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