Quote from: Kiero;701388I can't stand anything -punk, that includes steampunk, so it's probably no surprise I hated Planescape, then.

How is Planescape steampunk? There was a faux-Victoriana vibe to some of the art, I'll grant you.

Quote from: noisms;701396How is Planescape steampunk? There was a faux-Victoriana vibe to some of the art, I'll grant you.

Berk-punk.

Quote from: One Horse Town;701397Berk-punk.

Bar that, cutter.

Quote from: (un)reason;524241Dragonlance. All of the others, I can see how to remove or play down the bad bits and get to the good ideas at their core. Dragonlance, on the other hand, has so many annoying comic relief elements and bad plot choices baked right into it's design that it would be more effort to ignore or rewrite them than it would be to start with a blank slate. Even Dark Sun makes it easier for you to ignore all the metaplot stuff if it's not to your taste.

But the maps are awesome.

Quote from: Kiero;701388I can't stand anything -punk, that includes steampunk, so it's probably no surprise I hated Planescape, then.

I think the moment someone coined the phrase 'steampunk', the suffix -punk ceased to have any meaning.

Quote from: TristramEvans;701442I think the moment someone coined the phrase 'steampunk', the suffix -punk ceased to have any meaning.

Well, '-punk' only ever made any sense in the context of 'cyberpunk', and only vaguely even then.

Although, to be fair, if you were going to define cyberpunk as being a genre that was chiefly concerned with people who are alienated and cast adrift from societies with rapidly advancing technologies, then steampunk could mean sort of the same thing. The industrial revolution as analagous to cyberspace and biotech.

Yes, but steampunk tends to be more defined by its misplaced tech. Or a focus on the steam-tech side. Unfortunately rampant misude of the term progressively muddles things. Kinga like how RPG gets applied to things not even remotely an RPG.

Simmilar to how cyberpunk focuses on the cybernetics and cyberspace.

I am waiting for someone to call D&D swordpunk... deaths will ensue I am sure...

At its inception and in earliest uses steampunk was just a hip term for Victorians-flavoured SciFi. Gibson, Di Fillippio, etc , the vanguards of the genre, weren't overly focused on steam-based technology, that began to dominate the genre when it hit the home crafts and cosplay crowd at the turn of the century. Planescape is pretty clear example of Victoriana tropes being explored in a science fiction setting, hence me calling it 'proto-steampunk'. It was one of the forerunners of the later fad. And Wikipedia lists it as a steampunk rpg. Obviously it's one of those words that is a loaded linguistic bomb online these days, with the ongoing Definition and Classification Crusades still going strong, but Im not very picky honestly. I use descriptors that give an impression of a work's character. If Victoriana or Dickensian works better than steampunk for you, by all means use such instead

Combat heavy rpgs are splatterpunk. Social heavy rpgs are emopunk. Mechanics heavy rpgs are mathpunk.

I hope everyone has been thoroughly exhausted now.

Quote from: Opaopajr;701530Combat heavy rpgs are splatterpunk. Social heavy rpgs are emopunk. Mechanics heavy rpgs are mathpunk.

I hope everyone has been thoroughly exhausted now.

Nah, splatterpunk is where the PCs wear hockey masks...

Hollow World...

If I have to vote for one-thgouht it would be cool but neither me or my group could ever really get into the setting...

Quote from: TristramEvans;701442I think the moment someone coined the phrase 'steampunk', the suffix -punk ceased to have any meaning.

That's my view too. "Steampunk" is among the least -punk things ever.
BTW I read somewhere that the term "steampunk" was created as a joke...

Also, I don't see anything "steampunk"-y about Planescape other than Dickensian/Victorian slang. And since "steampunk" seems more of a romanticization/idyllic take on the Victorian Age than anything (prob'ly due to the home crafts/dress-up bunch mentioned above) I can't really see how "Dickensian" = "steampunk" really...

But then, I'm a Planescape fan. "Steampunk", not so much. As I once put it on TBP, I want that "genre" to "die".

Quote from: The Ent;701581That's my view too. "Steampunk" is among the least -punk things ever.
BTW I read somewhere that the term "steampunk" was created as a joke...

Also, I don't see anything "steampunk"-y about Planescape other than Dickensian/Victorian slang. And since "steampunk" seems more of a romanticization/idyllic take on the Victorian Age than anything (prob'ly due to the home crafts/dress-up bunch mentioned above) I can't really see how "Dickensian" = "steampunk" really...

But then, I'm a Planescape fan. "Steampunk", not so much. As I once put it on TBP, I want that "genre" to "die".

Well, technically, Dickensian tends to describe a prose style or method of characterization rather than a genre, and Victoriana was coined to describe a genre of historical fiction. When Steampunk came along it was a humorous affectation for Sci Fi that embraced the tropes and aesthetics of the Victoriana genre, which saw a bit of a renaissance at the time. Hence, lacking any other genre descriptor for a fantasy setting laden with elements of Victoriana, "proto-steampunk" seemed the most appropriate. I don't think I was too far off the mark, regardless of the steam-technology-themed interpretation of the Steampunk genre that's assumed dominance by the time it hit pop culture at large.

But this seems a very silly conversation. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, merely offered an explanation of why I liked Planescape.

Quote from: TristramEvans;701586Well, technically, Dickensian tends to describe a prose style or method of characterization rather than a genre, and Victoriana was coined to describe a genre of historical fiction. When Steampunk came along it was a humorous affectation for Sci Fi that embraced the tropes and aesthetics of the Victoriana genre, which saw a bit of a renaissance at the time. Hence, lacking any other genre descriptor for a fantasy setting laden with elements of Victoriana, "proto-steampunk" seemed the most appropriate. I don't think I was too far off the mark, regardless of the steam-technology-themed interpretation of the Steampunk genre that's assumed dominance by the time it hit pop culture at large.

Good points.

Quote from: TristramEvansBut this seems a very silly conversation. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, merely offered an explanation of why I liked Planescape.

No worries!
(Most conversations on rpg forums are silly anyway )