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[DnD Next] Optional Modules: 4e Tact Combat; Storygame; Etc. Add-Ons

Started by Mistwell, September 23, 2013, 01:37:37 AM

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Exploderwizard

#45
September 23, 2013, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: Obeeron;693171Actually, the final straw for me was when a couple of the biggest complainers about Next mentioned that they don't actually play RPGs because they "can't find anyone to play with".

What a shocker. :jaw-dropping:

This is my surprised face.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Mistwell

#46
September 23, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;693153How has the playtest been a success. The "a more modern AD&D" people like it, but the 4E crowd wants to kill it with fire, the Pathfinder crowd is giving it a resounding 'meh', and the OSR crowd is cheering it for shitting on 4E but probably will never play it.

I've seen you whine bitch moan and complain at EW, and your views are not well-shared there either.  There are a few core complainers who agree with you, but the mass of people over there seem cautiously optimistic.  And that's hardly the "a modern AD&D" crowd.

Naw, it could just be mostly you, and you're projecting because you don't want to think that the mass of gamers are not thinking like you.

Phillip

#47
September 23, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;693148I generally consider balance to be an illusion, generally hyper-focused around combat, and that starting with that illusiory concept as a design goal tends to lead in the opposite direction of versimilitude.
Again, if you or I want verisimilitude, it's easy enough for us to assign a probability of a figure being a serf handicapped by prenatal defects, malnutrition, plague and injuries.

I think there's a non-illusory domain of greater balance than none at all.
And we are here as on a darkling plain  ~ Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, ~ Where ignorant armies clash by night.

Sacrosanct

#48
September 23, 2013, 11:01:29 AM
Black Vulema had it right.  TCO is just a troll.  A self admitted one who says he just argues to argue because it gets his rocks off.  Like I said in the official forums when TCO said that 5e is officially dead and I replied, "does that mean you'll stop talking about 5e now?" and he responded with, "Of course not, WoTC needs to know how they are wrong."

If they haven't listened to you by now, you keep on fighting the good fight dude.  Besides, and I know this may be a huge shocker to folks, but many of the roll20 games of Next I've played were with people whose favorite editions spanned the gammut, including 4e.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Benoist

#49
September 23, 2013, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;693173Ben bring out the TCO troll quote would ya, think there's people here who haven't seen it.

As you wish.

Quote from: thecasualoblivion;330631Ok, maybe I will explain:

I like arguing with people. I don't really care about winning the argument, and I don't really care which argument. I've argued with people over what Transformers line is superior, which American Idol contestant sucks, whether or not overfocusing on tournament play was ruining M:tG for those who played casually, I argued with people over whether the Fighter sucked and spellcasting was too powerful in 3E ect.  Posting on message boards without an argument is boring. I say I don't have an agenda, because I'm not here to promote one, I'm just here to join in the argument. I don't have a goal beyond that. If I were to win the argument and the argument would end, my reason for existence would end as well.

In the RPG world right now, 4E is the center of the storm. I'm here for the storm, not for 4E.

Mistwell

#50
September 23, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;693186Black Vulema had it right.  TCO is just a troll.  A self admitted one who says he just argues to argue because it gets his rocks off.  Like I said in the official forums when TCO said that 5e is officially dead and I replied, "does that mean you'll stop talking about 5e now?" and he responded with, "Of course not, WoTC needs to know how they are wrong."

If they haven't listened to you by now, you keep on fighting the good fight dude.  Besides, and I know this may be a huge shocker to folks, but many of the roll20 games of Next I've played were with people whose favorite editions spanned the gammut, including 4e.

My group of players were die-hard 4e lovers.  ONE didn't come over to 5e, and he's simply not playing anything right now.  I suspect he will come over as well.  The rest of us are loving the 5e playtest, and reveling in faster combat and more role playing.

thecasualoblivion

#51
September 23, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;693177I've seen you whine bitch moan and complain at EW, and your views are not well-shared there either.  There are a few core complainers who agree with you, but the mass of people over there seem cautiously optimistic.  And that's hardly the "a modern AD&D" crowd.

Naw, it could just be mostly you, and you're projecting because you don't want to think that the mass of gamers are not thinking like you.

There's no enthusiasm there Mistwell. Most people have given up and moved on.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Warthur

#52
September 23, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;693153How has the playtest been a success. The "a more modern AD&D" people like it, but the 4E crowd wants to kill it with fire, the Pathfinder crowd is giving it a resounding 'meh', and the OSR crowd is cheering it for shitting on 4E but probably will never play it.
Quote from: TristramEvans;693155Yeah, people who identify with extreme positions in online camps as I said.
Aaaand Tristram wins the thread.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

TristramEvans

#53
September 23, 2013, 11:26:24 AM Last Edit: September 23, 2013, 11:37:04 AM by TristramEvans
Quote from: Phillip;693185Again, if you or I want verisimilitude, it's easy enough for us to assign a probability of a figure being a serf handicapped by prenatal defects, malnutrition, plague and injuries.

I think there's a non-illusory domain of greater balance than none at all.

I'm not certain we're actually talking about the same thing.

4e was taken as the pinnacle of mechanical balance, by giving every class magic, tailoring monsters to the level of adventurers so PCs never face a threat they can't defeat by violence, and removing niche protection to a meta game division based on tactical roles a character plays in the party. This would be the sort of stuff I'm wary of nowadays when I hear the term " mathematical balance".

Iosue

#54
September 23, 2013, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;693192There's no enthusiasm there Mistwell. Most people have given up and moved on.

Current state of the EW D&D forum 1st page:
D&D Next Threads: 13 threads, 526 replies
4th Edition Threads: 6 threads, 243 replies
3E/3.5E Threads: 9 threads, 265 replies
Pathfinder Threads: 7 threads, 118 replies
(3.x/Pathfinder total: 16 threads, 383 replies)

Indeed people have moved on...to Next, it seems.

Your next play will be to say that the number of threads and replies don't matter, because there are negative people in the Next threads.  But the reality is that those people make up a small percentage of the big playtest packet threads.  The majority of posts are saying they like x, they don't like y, they have an idea for how to fix z.  Basically, enthusiasm.

1989

#55
September 23, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;693191My group of players were die-hard 4e lovers.  ONE didn't come over to 5e, and he's simply not playing anything right now.  I suspect he will come over as well.  The rest of us are loving the 5e playtest, and reveling in faster combat and more role playing.

Strikes me as weird that one group could be die-hard 4e lovers, and then also love a system that is exactly the opposite.

Sacrosanct

#56
September 23, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: 1989;693208Strikes me as weird that one group could be die-hard 4e lovers, and then also love a system that is exactly the opposite.

Firstly, how can an edition be the opposite?  That doesn't make any sense.  do the players play as monsters or something?

Secondly, people can be die hard fans of more than one edition.  I love AD&D 1e and B/X.  I also like WFRP 1e, and enjoy Next.
D&D is not an "everyone gets a ribbon" game.  If you\'re stupid, your PC will die.  If you\'re an asshole, your PC will die (probably from the other PCs).  If you\'re unlucky, your PC may die.  Point?  PC\'s die.  Get over it and roll up a new one.

Bobloblah

#57
September 23, 2013, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: 1989;693208Strikes me as weird that one group could be die-hard 4e lovers, and then also love a system that is exactly the opposite.
That's because your life has only one true love in it, and she has 2 'Ds', an 'A', and a '2' in her name.
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

Iosue

#58
September 23, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
Quote from: 1989;693208Strikes me as weird that one group could be die-hard 4e lovers, and then also love a system that is exactly the opposite.
I'm a fan of B/X and a fan of 4e.  Right now each gives me different things that I like in gaming.  Next gives me a lot of the things I like about each, and not much of what I don't like.

Sommerjon

#59
September 23, 2013, 12:16:23 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;693147What "flavor" would that be?  It certainly isn't old school.
The fuck it's not.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;693147If WOTC ends up alienating the kinds of people who like to masturbate to character builds instead of playing the game then they will have at least gotten something right.
This whole self denial bullshit about ad&d not having builds is laughable.  WTF did you do when you leveled?  You roll on some chart to see if you you were going to do?
Well shit I rolled a 2, guess I retire this guy and roll a new one.
Hot Fucking Damn! I rolled 00 I get to dual class! Awesome.
WTF ever:rolleyes:

Quote from: TristramEvans;693150Considering the success of the playtests, all indications is that they haven't alienated their customer base, just a few extreme outlîers vocal on hobby forms.
We have no idea of the "success" of the playtests.
Amusing to see the difference here.  When WotC was talking about the "success" of 4e this place used up pallets of toilet paper shitting on that 'corp speak' BS.  Now that the new hotness is more akin to the preferred playstyle here 'they speaketh da trutheth'
Quote from: One Horse TownFrankly, who gives a fuck. :idunno:

Quote from: Exploderwizard;789217Being offered only a single loot poor option for adventure is a railroad
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