Even though I suck at mini painting and hate Games Workshop, I beg you to tell me where I can get these for use in my own Sci-Fi games.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;675014Yeah, I see where you're coming from.  I have a feeling that the more grumbling from ANGRY MARINES! there is the more evil the Tau will become, right up until we start seeing "Plague Tau" "Chaos Tau" or find out the Tau are working with/for the Necrons/C'tan, or they just wipe them out like they did the Squats...

I did once read someone suggesting that it's the Emperor who is manipulating them... which isn't an utterly terrible suggestion, given how much he would disapprove of the Imperium now.

QuoteI'm unfamiliar with them.  

-The "I wish I still had my beakie marines" DungeonDelver.

We will provide, honoured biped, and this time we will accept... deferred payment.

I played up the insanity rather than the ruthlessness, because that was the best fit for my group.

It really was inevitable.  The WFRP2 career system never made sense really in Dark Heresy.  No matter what you were, everyone was now some type of Inquisitorial Acolyte.  The system worked best in Warhammer with the corresponding social structures.

A lot of fans were asking for more DH stuff, it only makes sense to update to Black Crusade/Only War.  Plus it lets them advance the Calixis Sector in light of the newer games without having to have a whole new game like Eldar or Tau.

They really need to rationalize the rules and not have 5 games with 5 different experience and power levels.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;675014I'm unfamiliar with them.  

-The "I wish I still had my beakie marines" DungeonDelver.

They are a race of scavengers and merchants if memory serves me right.

Quote from: CRKrueger;675041It really was inevitable.  The WFRP2 career system never made sense really in Dark Heresy.  No matter what you were, everyone was now some type of Inquisitorial Acolyte.  The system worked best in Warhammer with the corresponding social structures.

A lot of fans were asking for more DH stuff, it only makes sense to update to Black Crusade/Only War.  Plus it lets them advance the Calixis Sector in light of the newer games without having to have a whole new game like Eldar or Tau.

They really need to rationalize the rules and not have 5 games with 5 different experience and power levels.

As if THAT is going to happen.

Also they are apparently tossing away the old sector.

Quote from: Rincewind1;675053As if THAT is going to happen.

Also they are apparently tossing away the old sector.

ROFL really, dumping Calixis?

Wow, I looked at the FFG site and it's NOT the BC/OW system, it's new.  Action Points, back to Careers, but different then in original Dark Heresy.  The weapon and armor stats redone.  Ouch.

Quote from: CRKrueger;675065ROFL really, dumping Calixis?

Wow, I looked at the FFG site and it's NOT the BC/OW system, it's new.  Action Points, back to Careers, but different then in original Dark Heresy.  The weapon and armor stats redone.  Ouch.

QuoteMany veteran Dark Heresy players conducted their investigations in the Calixis Sector, the setting for the original game. While the Askellon Sector is the locale for the new edition, the Calixis Sector is still a vital part of Warhammer 40,000 Roleplay. All Calixis Sector material can still be used to generate new adventures using the second edition rules.
The addition of the Askellon Sector in Dark Heresy Second Edition does not invalidate the Calixis Sector material, but rather expands options for GMs and players. Whether exploring the brand new Askellon Sector, or using existing Calixis Sector material to inform game play, Dark Heresy Second Edition provides even more opportunities to discover and eradicate heresy across the Imperium

When FFG are resetting the splatmill, they are RESETTING IT LIKE TRUE MEN.

I must ask one of my buddy when he comes back from vacation, he's a huge fan of W40k RPG and he has all the RPG books out to date, what he thinks of this .

And yeah, they are keeping the old separate games model. Just going to throw some Jay Little's Forgist ideas I suspect, rebalance the professions, some good stuff as well I suspect (FFG is not that broken after all), and most importantly of all - test the water for future resets of the rest of the systems .

I bet you 5 bucks Rogue Trader will be reset during the next 5 years.

Quote from: Rincewind1;675067I bet you 5 bucks Rogue Trader will be reset during the next 5 years.

It is very hard to see why they would ever only change one of the five lines to the new system. Unless sales really tank, which given the fan-base seems pretty unlikely.

Quote from: jeff37923;675030Even though I suck at mini painting and hate Games Workshop, I beg you to tell me where I can get these for use in my own Sci-Fi games.

If you just want a basic Fire Warrior cadre, buy at Amazon.  Still only about $33...

http://www.amazon.com/Tau-Empire-Firewarriors-Warhammer-40k/dp/B0009JJZCG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374874230&sr=8-3&keywords=fire+warrior+tau

A buck sixty five a mini; paints and glue which you can reuse cost you maybe $10 more...

Quote from: Rincewind1;675067And yeah, they are keeping the old separate games model. Just going to throw some Jay Little's Forgist ideas I suspect, rebalance the professions, some good stuff as well I suspect (FFG is not that broken after all), and most importantly of all - test the water for future resets of the rest of the systems .

I bet you 5 bucks Rogue Trader will be reset during the next 5 years.

Anyone would be a fool to take that, but I don't think it will be next year's game - they've only just re-released it, but in a new setting

Quote from: Ladybird;675095Anyone would be a fool to take that, but I don't think it will be next year's game - they've only just re-released it, but in a new setting

I was confused for a good while, thinking about WFRP 3e Rogue Traderish add - on, but then I realised you mean Edge of the Empire.

Quote from: Ladybird;675031I did once read someone suggesting that it's the Emperor who is manipulating them... which isn't an utterly terrible suggestion, given how much he would disapprove of the Imperium now.

I realize such HERESY! wouldn't ever become canon but man, if GW did...I'd probably hear the explosions of the Anger Marines from here.

QuoteWe will provide, honoured biped, and this time we will accept... deferred payment.

I played up the insanity rather than the ruthlessness, because that was the best fit for my group.

Thank you.

It is a really tough choice to release an updated game when you have a deep library of books and/or expensive books.  You cost fans a lot of cash plus the effort to learn the new system.  It can definitely be worth it if it improves the game.  But it takes a lot of work to ensure that the game is actually better and people can be really annoyed if it is not.

I recently joined the forum so Howdy! The following is a bit stream-of-consciousness, sorry for the syntax, spelling and/or grammar errors. That aside, allow me to detail my experience with this, Dark Hersey (DH) and why I am pissed at FFG.

So when DH first came out, when it was not done by FFG, my friends picked it up and got excited to play. They enjoyed the WH40K word. After the first game where I had a character the GM decided to stop and the group, for reasons unknown foisted the task of running the game on me. While this was occurring we (the DH group including me) welcomed FFG taking the game in hopes that they would launch a 2nd ed right then and their to deal with some obvious failings of the core system. NO..instead they eked out source books that my group eagerly used but no where near fast enough to support groups like mine that had started the game when it first came out. Moreover the system sucked and we just had to cope. Consequently, we developed a lot of things on our own, house ruled many others and just kept telling a story. I used the cannon as a guide but we, from the start, just took all the lines of thought as theories or schools that might represent factions within the universe and their beliefs and allowed it to enrich the environment rather than nerd rage of void dragons or other nonsense. This game when for 5 years, unbroken of weekly Saturday night playing that where a typical game lasted 12-16 hours of playing. The devotion to this was really remarkable and the themes that we explored are still subject of discussion to this day. This game lead to real feelings of jubilation, sadness, anger, love, disgust and betrayal just to name a few. Often in games there were real tears shed, real fear experienced and a real sense of the role of some piddling acolytes as they make there way in that world, growing, developing and changing along the way. It was to all present they best role-playing experience that any of us had ever had and likely might not be repeated (who knows). What does any of this have to do with DH rules? well I think that them having sucked so much made our group work harder to compensate and oddly enough produced a better role-playing experience. However, why the bloody hell did they not redo the rules sooner for such an obviously crappy system, when they could have unified things for all the later books. The books as they are do not play well or easily together and some are not really story telling environments (for example I give you Deathwatch, your a Space Marine go kill things...end of story). So F*** you FFG I hate your cruddy system and love what it did for our magnum opus of a role playing game. I am pissed at FFG and worry that the changes do not go far enough, pissed because they should have done an overhaul to the system when they took it on to come up with unifying mechanics (knowing that they were going to expand it as they have, grant you not all were as planned but they knew they wanted to develop the RPG elements), pissed because so many of the books put out for it were poorly thought out, lazy and disappointing like the start of the series (Assention and the monster source book come to mind immediately )  and pissed because from all this stink came an incredible experience. FFG's material did not help that as it where (often it was an obstacle) and this experience occurred because my group and I sat down to tell a great story...and we did. Apologies for the long rant.

TL;DR I am pissed beyond belief at FFG and despite (perhaps oddly because of it) that DH was an incredible world to explore with an incredible group of players.

Quote from: Archangel Fascist;674308I'm excited about this.  I've always been leery of Dark Heresy because of how crunch heavy and imbalanced it is.  I'm not paying $20 for a beta PDF, though.

It's more streamlined than the original, but falls apart in combat.