I just heard about the kickstarter for the a new release of the Atlantis:Second Age setting with it's own ruleset, and I remember the "new" version of Arduin that was released by Emperor Choice Games that seems 0% D&D compatible.

Both of these franchises, to me, started out as D&D knockoffs/supplements. And I'm really rolling my eyes at the thought of releasing these settings/materials for a nw/niche-rpg ruleset instead of for D&D/ish-proper.

Arduin Bestiary: release it with OSRIC/S&W/LL stats, watch the copies fly off the shelves.

Atlantis the Second Age: ditto

The original Bard Games' Atlantis was cool, and was an inspiration to my fantasy gaming for years to come.

I have no interest in this "one roll engine" type stuff, though.

Yeah, I could be interested to look at some of this stuff if it was for OSRIC, LL, whatnot.
As their own games, I just don't see the point, so I skip that stuff.

The big exception for me was AS&SH, which I felt warranted its own variant. I wasn't disappointed.

Quote from: Benoist;649236Yeah, I could be interested to look at some of this stuff if it was for OSRIC, LL, whatnot.
As their own games, I just don't see the point, so I skip that stuff.

Yeah, same here.

Quote from: Benoist;649236Yeah, I could be interested to look at some of this stuff if it was for OSRIC, LL, whatnot.
As their own games, I just don't see the point, so I skip that stuff.

The big exception for me was AS&SH, which I felt warranted its own variant. I wasn't disappointed.

Plus AS&SH is pretty dang close to being D&D anyways, it's more a remastering of D&D that it's own system.

Slightly OT: I got the old 2e of Atlantis/Arcanum. Is 1e more d&d than 2e?

Quote from: The Ent;649241Is 1e more d&d than 2e?

Both are equally D&D.

1E is way more badass and metal. :cool:

What easier and right for the line?

Creating a new ruleset, grow the audience, control all of the IP, and sell to X gamers.

Release for an older edition for D&D, place all your derived mechanics under the Open Game License, and sell to Y gamers.

My guess that Y will be greater than X in both of these cases, especially the history of both lines as starting as D&D supplements.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;649245Both are equally D&D.

1E is way more badass and metal. :cool:

Cool, might pick it up sometime then. I found 2e quite decent mind (but more like Rolemaster or "Palladium Fantasy* done right" than d&d, wich was a slight disappointment).

*=not a hater of that system btw, I've had lots of fun with it, but it's flawed.

The Arcanum setting is extremely charming! I mean everything's there!

Quote from: Planet Algol;649225Arduin, Atlantis, etc.: Please quite re-releasing D&D knockoffs with new systems

Um, i assume you mean "Please quit re-releasing ...
Right?

Sorry for being the one that points it out.

Interestingly enough Atlantis was created by the same guy who created Talislanta. Talislanta eventually evolved into having its own (D&D inspired, but simpler and more coherant) rules system. This rules system was licensed to produce the Omni System books by Morrigan, and later the Omega system used in Hellas and Atlantis: The Second Age.

Frankly, Atlantis deserves a better game system that D&D (and I'm fond of BECMI/S&W) and now it is getting one.

Fascinating.

Atlantis 2e is nothing like D&D, it has no classes or levels, armour reduces from a fixed damage, and indeed the only similarity is a d20. I didn't read 1e Atlantis.

I did read Talislanta which definitely evolved away from a class/level game into the same rules lite system that powered 2e Atlantis and will power 3e.

For me these games became attractive and appealing as they shed their similarity with D&D and moved to lighter systems with a classless gestalt that appealed to me more with my RQ/Traveller/T&T/Stormbringer roots.

But each to their own, and I would agree it's probably not worth converting them back to D&D. For Talislanta there is a d2o version on the Tal website.

Quote from: Planet Algol;649225I just heard about the kickstarter for the a new release of the Atlantis:Second Age setting with it's own ruleset, and I remember the "new" version of Arduin that was released by Emperor Choice Games that seems 0% D&D compatible.

Both of these franchises, to me, started out as D&D knockoffs/supplements. And I'm really rolling my eyes at the thought of releasing these settings/materials for a nw/niche-rpg ruleset instead of for D&D/ish-proper.

Arduin Bestiary: release it with OSRIC/S&W/LL stats, watch the copies fly off the shelves.

Atlantis the Second Age: ditto

While I think "fly off the shelves" is wildly optimistic, you're probably right. I'm still happy to see new stuff happening, but why not jump on the retro thing too?  

Both of the examples divorced themselves from D&D decades ago, though, and have managed some sort of existence with their own identities and styles.

Hell, at this point 4e is niche, never mind OSRIC.  There's not much left to lose by doing your own thing.

The thought that the only chance they have for survival in the present day is to come back inside the perimeter and align themselves with emulations of D&D versions that were themselves abandoned decades ago is very sad.

The new Arduin bestiary is pretty much the same line up as in the old grimoire series, and if that's close enough for you to consider it D&D, there's no need for a new book at all.  In Arduin's case, the originals are just as much in print as the new book.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;649233The original Bard Games' Atlantis was cool, and was an inspiration to my fantasy gaming for years to come.

I have no interest in this "one roll engine" type stuff, though.

Is uses Omega system which is similar to OMNI system. You can check out more in the play test document free via link on the Kickstarter.

I think Atlantis is going to be a fun game. Hellas is well written, and the Omega system is light and simple. I think it would appeal to OSR peeps because it's so straight forward.

Yeah, total bullshit. Let's release Glorantha for OSRIC next!

:rolleyes: