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Expanding Advantage/Disadvantage in d&d Next

Started by One Horse Town, March 18, 2013, 08:06:59 AM

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Bobloblah

#15
March 19, 2013, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: Sacrosanct;638380I imagine the inside of your mouth feels the same as the inside of Eva Mendes's.

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#16
March 20, 2013, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Bobloblah;638341This worries my as well, particularly from the crowd obsessed with DM fellatio.

It's a brilliant idea if sparingly applied as a benefit for clever play. It's garbage if it becomes a mechanical switch that every class has.

Exactly. I think the virtue of the advantage/disadvantage mechanic is that isn't thrown around everywhere and its up to DM discretion.

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#17
March 20, 2013, 06:42:28 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;638723I think the virtue of the advantage/disadvantage mechanic is that isn't thrown around everywhere and its up to DM discretion.
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Justin Alexander

#18
March 20, 2013, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;638723Exactly. I think the virtue of the advantage/disadvantage mechanic is that isn't thrown around everywhere and its up to DM discretion.

I see this will end up going the same way as the CR/EL guidelines, skill synergies, and the Knowledge skill. All of these were designed to be flexible, expandable tools. As soon as they got released into the wild, however, they calcified into inflexible crap.

There's something deeply rotten in the fanbase of D&D. And I don't think WotC's designers can really take all (or even most of) the blame for it.
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Bobloblah

#19
March 20, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
Quote from: Justin Alexander;638768I see this will end up going the same way as the CR/EL guidelines, skill synergies, and the Knowledge skill. All of these were designed to be flexible, expandable tools. As soon as they got released into the wild, however, they calcified into inflexible crap.
You are, unfortunately, probably correct about this...

Quote from: Justin Alexander;638768There's something deeply rotten in the fanbase of D&D. And I don't think WotC's designers can really take all (or even most of) the blame for it.
...but I'm not so sure about this part. WotC may not have actively told people to do these things, but the targetting of players for sales, the massive expansion of splat, and the primacy of rules in said splat were hugely enabling to what you referred to as the "deeply rotten" portion of the fanbase. That group has likely always been there; WotC just gave them the tools and encouragement to allow them to bloom into the blight on the hobby they've become.
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Haffrung

#20
March 21, 2013, 02:49:47 AM
Quote from: Bobloblah;638777You are, unfortunately, probably correct about this...


...but I'm not so sure about this part. WotC may not have actively told people to do these things, but the targetting of players for sales, the massive expansion of splat, and the primacy of rules in said splat were hugely enabling to what you referred to as the "deeply rotten" portion of the fanbase. That group has likely always been there; WotC just gave them the tools and encouragement to allow them to bloom into the blight on the hobby they've become.

All true. But it seems WotC have come to their senses with D&D Next, and are largely abandoning the char op RAW dweebs. And whether I end up playing the game or not, the fact it's shaping up to be a big 'eh, we don't need you clowns anymore' to those unimaginative, fun-killing dweebs makes D&D Next a big win already. To see them running around on RPGNet and the WotC forums pissing and moaning about Next approach, and virulently rejecting the very notion that D&D can appeal to casual players is music to my ears.
 

Bobloblah

#21
March 21, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;638853To see them running around on RPGNet and the WotC forums pissing and moaning about Next approach, and virulently rejecting the very notion that D&D can appeal to casual players is music to my ears.
My only response to such folks is this.
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#22
March 22, 2013, 03:42:18 AM
Unfortunately D&D always seems to tend toward getting both calcified and overburdened with material as an edition wears on.  The real problem that needs changing there is the business model; ie. the kind of supplements they put out.

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Bobloblah

#23
March 22, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;639272The real problem that needs changing there is the business model
I suspect that's going to be very difficult while Hasborg owns them, though they're certainly making noises about moving away from that with D&DNext.
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Opaopajr

#24
March 22, 2013, 11:17:21 AM
However, Hasbro does understand the value of an evergreen product.

In an ever aging, and thus shrinking, market, the worst idea as the biggest name on the block would be to chase collectors. That then marginalizes your product with complexity, brand confusion, and speculation. Having an evergreen entrance product alleviates a lot of demographic market loss by bloating market size. Everyone knows someone with a Monopoly or Trivia Pursuit board, or both. Whether or not they regularly play...
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Piestrio

#25
March 22, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
Quote from: Opaopajr;639352However, Hasbro does understand the value of an evergreen product.

In an ever aging, and thus shrinking, market, the worst idea as the biggest name on the block would be to chase collectors. That then marginalizes your product with complexity, brand confusion, and speculation. Having an evergreen entrance product alleviates a lot of demographic market loss by bloating market size. Everyone knows someone with a Monopoly or Trivia Pursuit board, or both. Whether or not they regularly play...

I think Wizards is cluing into the fact that D&D is far more valuable as an IP and brand than as a game.

We'll see more and more D&D board games, video games, etc...

This might seem like a bad thing but if it means slow to no "development" of the RPG it's actually very good for the game.

Once the RPG isn't the primary revenue driver in the company the more comfortable they will be with making it an evergreen product as they endless futz around with the real money-makers.
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Haffrung

#26
March 22, 2013, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;639434I think Wizards is cluing into the fact that D&D is far more valuable as an IP and brand than as a game.

We'll see more and more D&D board games, video games, etc...

This might seem like a bad thing but if it means slow to no "development" of the RPG it's actually very good for the game.

Once the RPG isn't the primary revenue driver in the company the more comfortable they will be with making it an evergreen product as they endless futz around with the real money-makers.

Sounds good to me. But what will the char op dweebs play? How can they demonstrate their deck-building - I mean roleplaying - mastery without an endless stream of builds, feats, and traits?
 

Bobloblah

#27
March 22, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
If that's how things end up playing out I'll be yelling, "Hallelujah!" to the rafters. We'll see.
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#28
March 24, 2013, 05:17:28 AM
Yes, we'll have to see. Its too soon to judge.

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