Quote from: Warthur;625822I think Blackhand and his group are being genuine - it's just that they have a very specific internal culture which 100% works for them but looks odd from outside, especially if the internal culture of your own gaming scene is very different. (For instance, they seem to be really against homebrew systems or deviating from RAW or improvising adventures on the fly, which runs directly against the preferences of more or less all the groups I've ever played with.)

That is what I think, and I seem to recall that he said that they are a wargames club and they play RPGs like they play wargames: by the book, impartial referee, etc. Of course, I understand why it can be weird for many gamers outside their club, and I have no problem with it, they seem to be rocking and perfectly happy with their games. I think I would be able to play in one of their games without a problem, as they seem to be pretty hardcore inmersionists. I dunno why everyone gets so upset.

Quote from: Blackhand;625811You nailed it directly on the head there, Imperator.  

Good, good

QuoteAppreciate you taking the time.  I've almost finished preparing the new module jumping off point, and I have to tell you I think it's going to revitalize the campaign.  I'm going to run The Ghost Tower of Inverness, and from there segue into the Temple in a slightly different manner - since we played through Hommlett already.

Yeah, a new beginning seems to be the best option for me and it's what I would do. A clean slate will help to set in the player's mind the idea that "we're starting afresh, and this time we'll focus on getting a compatible party", so to speak.

QuoteMy players really get into their characters, and are literally taking the logical choice here, in character.  It's not really a metagame thing.  I'm not heavy handed at all (though I am strict by the book), and I'm pretty lenient on character choices.  Already one of the players has created a background involving Tenser, and I liked what I read.  I think we might have a winner in the run for the patron, but that's just one player's background.  When we make the rest of the party (half a session in itself) we'll see what shakes out.

Cool. Dunno about your group, but from my experience if the patron is related to a PCs background the group usually take it well.

QuoteI think the hate is coming from the concept that we are somehow stopping the game.  Players feel it's a douchebag GM move to dissolve the campaign in a like manner and I understand that. Yet this is a mutually agreed thing, between the players and I.  The "hearing" will likely be a formality at this point, because we like to do things as a club, a group.  

Awesome. That is how I roll. Sometimes my players feel like changing games or I will want to try a different thing, and we will do a similar thing.

QuoteI'd like to point out that even if I was the sort of person who'd get mad at my players, say "Fuck it!!" and nuke the campaign - taking all my books home and whatnot - the club has a schedule for gaming.  One of the other players is going to run Rise of the Runelords, immediately after we are done with AD&D 1e.  The gaming would not stop, and the largest portion of the group has been gaming together for almost two decades.  I am NOT that sort of person, and I resent being portrayed as such.

I understand why you would resent that. Gess is a misreading.

This thread is proof that my jazz improvisation analogy functions better in practice than RAW DM rigidity.

Quote from: jeff37923;625960This thread is proof that my jazz improvovisation analogy functions better in practice than RAW DM rigidity.

That post is proof that people will justify their own behavior in any and all possible ways- no matter how foolish or flimsy.

Quote from: jeff37923;625960This thread is proof that my jazz improvovisation analogy functions better in practice than RAW DM rigidity.

different strokes, etc.  i shouldn't be amazed, but still am, at the amount of idiot posts complaining about their group style.  at least a few folks were able to contribute meaningfully to this thread.

Quote from: beeber;625969different strokes, etc.  i shouldn't be amazed, but still am, at the amount of idiot posts complaining about their group style.  at least a few folks were able to contribute meaningfully to this thread.

Maybe it's because they are a bunch of Munchkins who love it RAW with a DM who attempts to portray himself as a manly gamer while wringing his hands over alignment. That and the are doing ToE so they can 'tick it and 1E' off their list.

Their skills aren't up to it and as others have said down thread, the temple has won.

Quote from: Fiasco;625989Maybe it's because they are a bunch of Munchkins who love it RAW with a DM who attempts to portray himself as a manly gamer while wringing his hands over alignment. That and the are doing ToE so they can 'tick it and 1E' off their list.

Their skills aren't up to it and as others have said down thread, the temple has won.

Not only is that a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory (to all of us), it's also a gross misrepresentation.

My ignore list is getting out of control.

Quote from: Blackhand;625991Not only is that a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory, it's also a gross misrepresentation.

My ignore list is getting out of control.

And yet your group has still been dissolved due to your lack of DM skills.

Maybe you should stick to wargames?

Quote from: jeff37923;625996And yet your group has still been dissolved due to your lack of DM skills.

Maybe you should stick to wargames?

Jesus Christ, for real?  How many times do we have to say this is NOT what's happening?

If you're not wanting to take part in this ongoing discussion, please don't comment.  People like you are making this board a worse Troll Hole than it ever was, simply because you read 2 sentences of the OP and then only posts by the other people making inflammatory statements.

What is actually happening is on every single page of this thread, in every post my players and I make.

Quote from: Blackhand;625999Jesus Christ, for real?  How many times do we have to say this is NOT what's happening?

If you're not wanting to take part in this ongoing discussion, please don't comment.  People like you are making this board a worse Troll Hole than it ever was, simply because you read 2 sentences of the OP and then only posts by the other people making inflammatory statements.

What is actually happening is on every single page of this thread, in every post my players and I make.

Things wouldn't have gone so badly for you and your group if you would have just learned to improvise more, but alas, the ToEE has won. You are all its victims.

Quote from: jeff37923;626001Things wouldn't have gone so badly for you and your group if you would have just learned to improvise more, but alas, the ToEE has won.

Improvise?  You mean run a "Free Range Greyhawk" campaign.  Which is explicitly what we set out to NOT do when we started this - but that's been stated several times already.

You're still way off base buddy, and I don't feel the need to argue with you.  Things wouldn't go so badly if you just learned to read a little more, but alas...

Quote from: Blackhand;626004Improvise?  You mean run "Free Range Greyhawk".  Which is explicitly what we set out to NOT do when we started this.

You're still way off base buddy, and I don't feel the need to argue with you.

No adventure ever survives contact with the Player Characters.

Every GM worth their salt knows this.

Quote from: Blackhand;625991Not only is that a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory (to all of us), it's also a gross misrepresentation.

They seem to have quite the hate on for you. Might be even worse than how they react to me and that's saying something.

In general they are wedded to the idea that it's impossible to play a game RAW, and so will go out of their way to misrepresent anyone doing so. It's really their only option as much of the self-image of the OSR is tied up in that delusion.

So you've come in and set their bonnets on fire, and they're having the predictable reaction.

Quote from: Blackhand;625991Not only is that a deliberate attempt to be inflammatory (to all of us), it's also a gross misrepresentation.

My ignore list is getting out of control.

Sorry dude, running Riund with 19 str characters who have double specialized with weapons is about as munchkin as you can get in 1E. Most of us around here don't like munchkins much like your group doesn't like female gamers.

The fact that ToE has chewed up your munchkins and spat them out makes it all the more amusing.

Quote from: gleichman;626008They seem to have quite the hate on for you. Might be even worse than how they react to me and that's saying something.

In general they are wedded to the idea that it's impossible to play a game RAW, and so will go out of their way to misrepresent anyone doing so. It's really their only option as much of the self-image of the OSR is tied up in that delusion.

So you've come in and set their bonnets on fire, and they're having the predictable reaction.

Happens every time.  It's like I told them their girlfriends were ugly bitches and then with a straight face danced the robot while looking them dead in the eye.

Quote from: gleichman;626008They seem to have quite the hate on for you. Might be even worse than how they react to me and that's saying something.

In general they are wedded to the idea that it's impossible to play a game RAW, and so will go out of their way to misrepresent anyone doing so. It's really their only option as much of the self-image of the OSR is tied up in that delusion.

So you've come in and set their bonnets on fire, and they're having the predictable reaction.

Blackhand loves it RAW but he doesn't allow women at his table. Beware your bedfellows, Gleichman.