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Aphorisms From Mythusmage

Started by mythusmage, November 25, 2012, 09:04:22 PM

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#45
November 28, 2012, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Catelf;603365Do you mean, that Mythusmage says, that a theatre performance isn't Storytelling?

It is because the actors are telling a story. They're using a script in which a story has been written down, and through their performance they each tell their part of the story.

But in an RPG the players, the actors, are telling---that is, describing---what their roles are doing in the game. It is not an account of events, it is the events as they are occuring. Important distinction here. It is imaginary, but that does not mean it is not occuring in an imaginary world. Think of it as one of the six impossible things one is supposed to believe in before breakfast.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

Catelf

#46
November 28, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: mythusmage;602794Not all logic is equally valid, especially not when it's based on a false premise.

Now, let's try this...

A player can have his character tell a story as he plays him, but he is not telling a story when he plays him.

You earlier claimed that roleplaying = acting.
That is correct.
But then you said that Acing is not storytelling..... Then what is all actors doing in the theatres if they aren't telling a story?
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
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Catelf

#47
November 28, 2012, 09:23:16 PM Last Edit: November 28, 2012, 09:24:39 PM by Catelf
Quote from: mythusmage;603374It is because the actors are telling a story. They're using a script in which a story has been written down, and through their performance they each tell their part of the story.

But in an RPG the players, the actors, are telling---that is, describing---what their roles are doing in the game. It is not an account of events, it is the events as they are occuring. Important distinction here. It is imaginary, but that does not mean it is not occuring in an imaginary world. Think of it as one of the six impossible things one is supposed to believe in before breakfast.
I think you are severely confusing your view on semantics, hairsplitting, and double meanings with reality, here ....
Besides, technically, both actors and RPG-players is Roleplaying.
That Rpg-players are always ad-lib'ing and improvising, and has to be more detailed about it, do not make it less acting, and therefor not less of storytelling.
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
;)
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Catelf

#48
November 28, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
Quote from: Novastar;602965No.
Congratulations, you cracked open a book on Zen koans. Zen's supposed to have a lesson after each of these pithy little sayings, you know.
Interesting, you may actually have stumbled onto something important here ...
It do look like a Zen koan, however, essentially all here has already found the answer: The Zen Koan is rubbish, and so is the alleged "Zen master" for persisting in that there is a real answer to it.

Practically, we are very ready to kill the Buddah if we find the Buddah .... at least as long as it isn't ourselves, that is ....
I may not dislike D&D any longer, but I still dislike the Chaos-Lawful/Evil-Good alignment system, as well as the level system.
;)
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The Traveller

#49
November 28, 2012, 09:45:12 PM
All Zen koans have the same answer, and that's no Buddha.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Exploderwizard

#50
November 29, 2012, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Catelf;603365Do you mean, that Mythusmage says, that a theatre performance isn't Storytelling?

A theater performance is certainly storytelling to me. A roleplaying game (worth playing) isn't anything like a theater performance.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

mythusmage

#51
November 29, 2012, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Catelf;603376You earlier claimed that roleplaying = acting.
That is correct.
But then you said that Acing is not storytelling..... Then what is all actors doing in the theatres if they aren't telling a story?

Acting is story telling, in a play or similar production. Acting is not story telling in an RPG. Different situations.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

mythusmage

#52
November 29, 2012, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Catelf;603383I think you are severely confusing your view on semantics, hairsplitting, and double meanings with reality, here ....
Besides, technically, both actors and RPG-players is Roleplaying.
That Rpg-players are always ad-lib'ing and improvising, and has to be more detailed about it, do not make it less acting, and therefor not less of storytelling.

Doesn't mean they're doing exactly the same thing. But remember the players are describing what their characters are doing, not reciting lines. Thus narrative does not enter into the picture with an RPG.

Look up "storytelling" and "narrative" and see what various on-line dictionaries have to say on the topics.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

mythusmage

#53
November 29, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: Catelf;603398Interesting, you may actually have stumbled onto something important here ...
It do look like a Zen koan, however, essentially all here has already found the answer: The Zen Koan is rubbish, and so is the alleged "Zen master" for persisting in that there is a real answer to it.

Practically, we are very ready to kill the Buddah if we find the Buddah .... at least as long as it isn't ourselves, that is ....

There are days when you can't stay in your comfort zone.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

mythusmage

#54
November 29, 2012, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;603520A theater performance is certainly storytelling to me. A roleplaying game (worth playing) isn't anything like a theater performance.

Actually, in a sense it is. Insofar as you play a role during play you are engaged in a theatrical performance. Many of the same skills and techniques are used in both. But, by it's very nature an RPG can't be a story telling game, or involve story or narrative in any form as the game is being played.

Remember, description can be included in an account, but of itself a description cannot be an account.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

Novastar

#55
November 29, 2012, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: mythusmage;602968
Quote from: Novastar;602965No.
They've pretty much always been mindless wankery of pseudo-intellectuals, vying vainly for credibility, geekish or otherwise.

Congratulations, you cracked open a book on Zen koans. Zen's supposed to have a lesson after each of these pithy little sayings, you know.
Fear of the different, a sad case.
Oooh, more pithy commentary, with a penetrating anaylsis.

Or to wit: your momma!
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Blackhand

#56
November 30, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
Quit Multiposting.

It makes you look like a 4th grader.
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Bill

#57
November 30, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
What's the difference between improv theatre and a roleplaying game?

The gm is essentially the director of an improv play.

mythusmage

#58
November 30, 2012, 03:06:08 PM Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 03:10:51 PM by mythusmage
Quote from: Bill;604077What's the difference between improv theatre and a roleplaying game?

The gm is essentially the director of an improv play.

To a great extent you're right. Though a competent moderator is so much more as well.

BTW, here's my RPG blog [http://community.wizards.com/alan-kellogg/blog/?pref_tab=blog] for those who'd like to read it. To comment there you need to register, or you could start a thread here at the RPG Site.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

Novastar

#59
November 30, 2012, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Blackhand;604075Quit Multiposting.

It makes you look like a 4th grader.
Especially since there's a handy multi-quote button on this site, on every post.
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.
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