Quote from: Doctor Jest;602817What? I'm insisting on nothing of the sort. If you're trying to paint me as a story-gamer, you've REALLY gotten ahold of the wrong end of the stick.

I'm arguing your phrasing of your point is demonstrably wrong and does not make the point you're trying to make. It's entirely possible to tell a story while roleplaying (by roleplaying a character who is telling a story), which is what you said isn't possible. Now this may not have been what you meant to say - athough what you mean to say is becoming increasingly less clear - but that's your lookout.

Your "aphorism" is therefore crap. You may want to re-think it and come up with a better way of making your point.



No. You're the one trying to convince us of your point, it's not my job to do it for you.

My aphorism has been changed, see my sig for details. I should hope I explain it better.

Now look up "narrative" in a dictionary or on the web. I recommend this because it illustrates my point and explains matters much better than I can.

Doctor Jest, you were fed a load of crap by Edwards, who wouldn't know a story telling game if one snuck up on him and buggered his My Little Pony collection.

Quote from: mythusmage;602822My aphorism has been changed, see my sig for details. I should hope I explain it better.

Still wrong. For the same reason.

QuoteNow look up "narrative" in a dictionary or on the web. I recommend this because it illustrates my point and explains matters much better than I can.

I know what a narrative is.

If your post is better expressed by a dictionary definition, then your post is pointless.

QuoteDoctor Jest, you were fed a load of crap by Edwards, who wouldn't know a story telling game if one snuck up on him and buggered his My Little Pony collection.

Edwards is a hack who has become increasingly irrelevant. Sort of like your post.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;602827Still wrong. For the same reason.



I know what a narrative is.

If your post is better expressed by a dictionary definition, then your post is pointless.



Edwards is a hack who has become increasingly irrelevant. Sort of like your post.

Stanley Schmidt of Analog magazine had a few things to say about people like you recently. Namely, you don't see because you don't want to see. Frankly you remind me of a creationist "There aint no evolution, and fuck your evidence."

You have your paradigm, you're happy with your paradigm, and any thing that threatens your paradigm is to be sunk into the depths of the sea, weighted down with chunks of degrading concrete.

And since you have such fear of dictionaries, which contradict your cherished beliefs, maybe you should stick to disputing Batman versus Ironman at your local comic books store.

Quote from: mythusmage;602866Stanley Schmidt of Analog magazine had a few things to say about people like you recently. Namely, you don't see because you don't want to see. Frankly you remind me of a creationist "There aint no evolution, and fuck your evidence."

What the fuck are you talking about? I can see plainly that you're either not expressing yourself properly or you don't seem to understand what words mean. I'm not sure which, and your growing increasingly hostile and erratic isn't shedding any light on it.

QuoteYou have your paradigm, you're happy with your paradigm, and any thing that threatens your paradigm is to be sunk into the depths of the sea, weighted down with chunks of degrading concrete.

My paradigm is reality and the basic definition of words meaning what they mean, and the English language not being casually abused in a poor attempt to sound pithy.

What the fuck weird paradigm do you live in?

QuoteAnd since you have such fear of dictionaries

Um.. what? What the heck are you talking about? I use dictionaries all the time. I'm just not going to do your homework for you.

Quote, which contradict your cherished beliefs

Sorry, but the dictionary is on my side in this one, bub. You've literally said a word doesn't mean itself. You don't have a leg to stand on. Saying "Telling a story isn't telling a story" is just plain stupid, and you don't need a dictionary for that.

Quote, maybe you should stick to disputing Batman versus Ironman at your local comic books store.

I am not really very much a comic book fan, but I don't think being a comic book fan would be something to be ashamed of if I were.

Here, I'll do you a favor.

If what you're saying is it impossible to tell a story while roleplaying, you're wrong. You can roleplay someone telling a story. But if you're saying that roleplaying and storytelling as a game are two different things, then you're correct, and you can see I agreed with that premise back in post #11. However, if that's what you meant, you have poorly expressed it, and your aphorism is sloppy.

Now, I'm not sure which you're trying to claim, because every time you've restated your premise, it comes out as if you're saying the former, which is demonstrably wrong, and nowyou're ranting and raving about Ron Edwards, and creationists and dictionaries and I have no idea where the heck you're coming from, and I'm starting to suspect that neither do you.

Basically I'm saying either your phrasing is sloppy because you are trying (and failing) to be clever, or else you're a twit. I originally assumed the former, but now I'm beginning to suspect the latter.

Doctor Jest,

The impression you leave me with is that you are afraid of being wrong. You leave me with the impression that no matter how I phrase it, you are going to reject it because you fear the consequences and implications of what I'm saying. In short, Doctor Jest, you have failed the course, forfeited your tuition. and you're now on academic probation.

As the man said, "You don't want to think about the things you don't want to think about."

Hey, remember when these sort of circle jerks were at least marginally incidental  to actual gaming discussion?

Quote from: Zachary The First;602934Hey, remember when these sort of circle jerks were at least marginally incidental  to actual gaming discussion?

What's worse is either I'm completely stupid or massively confused because the premise makes no sense to me. Whatever is the truth the thread is easy enough to ignore.

Quote from: Zachary The First;602934Hey, remember when these sort of circle jerks were at least marginally incidental  to actual gaming discussion?

No.
They've pretty much always been mindless wankery of pseudo-intellectuals, vying vainly for credibility, geekish or otherwise.

Congratulations, you cracked open a book on Zen koans. Zen's supposed to have a lesson after each of these pithy little sayings, you know.

Quote from: Zachary The First;602934Hey, remember when these sort of circle jerks were at least marginally incidental  to actual gaming discussion?

A better way to design and play RPGs is irrelevent?

Folks, I'm an aspie and I know all about control issues. You make me look normal. Yes, I'm asking you to go past your comfort zones, to make the hobby better.

Assert yourselves and get to working on RPGs more people can enjoy.

Patient: Doc, it hurts when I do this.

Doctor: Stop doing that.

Quote from: Novastar;602965No.
They've pretty much always been mindless wankery of pseudo-intellectuals, vying vainly for credibility, geekish or otherwise.

Congratulations, you cracked open a book on Zen koans. Zen's supposed to have a lesson after each of these pithy little sayings, you know.

Fear of the different, a sad case.

Mythusmage, why not give us some of your awesome RPG ideas? You are into Mythus/Dangerous Journeys? Tell us about your campaigns! Tell us why you love the game.

Quote from: mythusmage;602913Doctor Jest,

The impression you leave me with is that you are afraid of being wrong. You leave me with the impression that no matter how I phrase it, you are going to reject it because you fear the consequences and implications of what I'm saying. In short, Doctor Jest, you have failed the course, forfeited your tuition. and you're now on academic probation.

As the man said, "You don't want to think about the things you don't want to think about."

WTF? I guess some people look so hard for an argument that they manufacture one if it cannot be found.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;603074WTF? I guess some people look so hard for an argument that they manufacture one if it cannot be found.

And that he did.

Quote from: Killfuck Soulshitter;602981Mythusmage, why not give us some of your awesome RPG ideas? You are into Mythus/Dangerous Journeys? Tell us about your campaigns! Tell us why you love the game.

I have a blog over at the WotC site, under "Alan_Kellogg", where I do. You're welcome to come visit and comment. As to DJ material; a fellow enthusiast is sending my copies of the books (lost my old ones) and I should soon be posting about them in a DJ I'll be restarting soon. If you really like I can some post some topics here.

Note that my stance in story telling in role playing is based on years of the latter, and hours in a group. Right now I'm in a D&D Encounter game on Thursday nights, and I have yet to see any story telling by any one. If seen people giving lots of description of what's going on (moderator) or what their character is doing (players, including me), but I have not seen any one tell a story as they play a character. I don't doubt that people can have their character telll a story as they play him, but that's really not the same thing.

Update: Here's my RPG blog over at Wizards: Alan's RPG Blog; http://community.wizards.com/alan-kellogg/blog/?pref_tab=blog

Quote from: Exploderwizard;602671Yeah..ummm.  I think the general concept (however poorly phrased) is that actual play during a roleplaying game is not storytelling. Your charcter may be telling a story during play. You, meanwhile, are playing a roleplaying game and thus not telling a story even as your character does so.

Do you mean, that Mythusmage says, that a theatre performance isn't Storytelling?