This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Aphorisms From Mythusmage

Started by mythusmage, November 25, 2012, 09:04:22 PM

Previous topic - Next topic
Print
Go Down Pages1 2 3 ... 5
User actions

mythusmage

November 25, 2012, 09:04:22 PM
You can roleplay while telling a story. You can't tell a story while roleplaying.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

J Arcane

#1
November 25, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
Fuck, who left the front door open again?
Bedroom Wall Press - Games that make you feel like a kid again.

Arcana Rising - An Urban Fantasy Roleplaying Game, powered by Hulks and Horrors.
Hulks and Horrors - A Sci-Fi Roleplaying game of Exploration and Dungeon Adventure
Heaven\'s Shadow - A Roleplaying Game of Faith and Assassination

Marleycat

#2
November 26, 2012, 12:35:39 AM Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 12:39:26 AM by Marleycat
Quote from: mythusmage;602263You can roleplay while telling a story. You can't tell a story while roleplaying.

Hello.  But who, what, where, why? More importantly am I drinking too much again?!?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Doctor Jest

#3
November 26, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: mythusmage;602263You can't tell a story while roleplaying.

My Bard disagrees with you. He's quite a storyteller, when I roleplay him.

JeremyR

#4
November 26, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
That went over my head.

You can certainly tell a story based on what you do at a game table. You know what happened, so you can write it up.

But on the flip side, it's very difficult to recreate a story (be it novel or movie) with game rules. Because with a story, you know what happens, but with a game, there is uncertainty and that clashes with plot.

mythusmage

#5
November 26, 2012, 10:40:40 PM Last Edit: November 26, 2012, 10:46:07 PM by mythusmage
Quote from: Doctor Jest;602458My Bard disagrees with you. He's quite a storyteller, when I roleplay him.

But that's you telling a story as you play the character. It's not the same as you telling a story while you play the character. That we call "acting" and it's a much different activity.

Let me expand; when you tell a story as you play your character that is you telling a story as your character would, or as you see him telling a story. (Sorry, I don't know how to make it more clear.)
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

mythusmage

#6
November 26, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: JeremyR;602528That went over my head.

There's a big growth spurt coming up in your life, that should take care of it. :)

QuoteYou can certainly tell a story based on what you do at a game table. You know what happened, so you can write it up.

Doesn't that take place after the events. not during?
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

crkrueger

#7
November 27, 2012, 06:29:44 AM Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 06:32:26 AM by CRKrueger
If anyone's wondering at JArcane's leaving, apparently it's because certain posts have been removed.  I don't know what he can't find since I wasn't here then, but I have found a bit.

This is one of the threads dealing with other Aphorisms of Mythusmage. The key posts concern Dragon Earth.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Doctor Jest

#8
November 27, 2012, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: mythusmage;602559But that's you telling a story as you play the character. It's not the same as you telling a story while you play the character.

So, me telling a story as I play the character isn't the same as me telling a story as I play the character?

Bwuh?

QuoteLet me expand; when you tell a story as you play your character that is you telling a story as your character would, or as you see him telling a story. (Sorry, I don't know how to make it more clear.)

No, that's not it at all. The character is telling the story not me. He has a mind of his own. I have very little say in the matter.

Exploderwizard

#9
November 27, 2012, 08:52:55 AM
Quote from: Doctor Jest;602649So, me telling a story as I play the character isn't the same as me telling a story as I play the character?

Bwuh?

Yeah..ummm.  I think the general concept (however poorly phrased) is that actual play during a roleplaying game is not storytelling. Your charcter may be telling a story during play. You, meanwhile, are playing a roleplaying game and thus not telling a story even as your character does so.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;602649No, that's not it at all. The character is telling the story not me. He has a mind of his own. I have very little say in the matter.

There are treatments available for such disorders.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Doctor Jest

#10
November 27, 2012, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;602671Yeah..ummm.  I think the general concept (however poorly phrased) is that actual play during a roleplaying game is not storytelling.

Well, sure. Could have just said that, however.

QuoteThere are treatments available for such disorders.

Your inability to comprehend how I play does not equate a deficit on my part.

Exploderwizard

#11
November 27, 2012, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: Doctor Jest;602681Your inability to comprehend how I play does not equate a deficit on my part.

It must have been the mention of having no control over a fictional character being played that gave me the impression.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Doctor Jest

#12
November 27, 2012, 09:59:48 AM Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 10:09:55 AM by Doctor Jest
Quote from: Exploderwizard;602690It must have been the mention of having no control over a fictional character being played that gave me the impression.

Again, your inability to understand is not my problem. Deliberately and intentionally creating an altered state of consciousness in a controlled environment on demand is not a disorder, it's a skill.

Exploderwizard

#13
November 27, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: Doctor Jest;602692Again, your inability to understand is not my problem. Deliberately and intentionally creating an altered state of consciousness in a controlled environment is not a disorder, it's a skill.

Authors speak all the time about characters they write taking on a life of their own and making up their own minds about things. It's much the same thing.

Getting into character is quite different than declaring a loss of control. Deep character immersion and "having little say in the matter" about what one is saying or doing are worlds apart.  Those that blame an element of fantasy for thier behaviors or actions are:

A) mentally impaired in some way.

B) using the fantasy element as a crutch for saying or doing things that would be seen as unacceptable if done or said as themselves.

C) a combination of A and B

A doesn't have to mean clinically insane. Drugs or alcohol can do the trick.


B is most common in gaming circles for players that are rude or obnoxious to others and claim to be "just playing thier character."
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Doctor Jest

#14
November 27, 2012, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;602703Getting into character is quite different than declaring a loss of control. Deep character immersion and "having little say in the matter" about what one is saying or doing are worlds apart.  

So, you're quibbling over semantics? I was speaking conversationally. I assumed a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself would be able to glean that from context. Perhaps I was wrong in that assumption.
Print
Go Up Pages1 2 3 ... 5
User actions