Quote from: Sommerjon;598056Then I would love for you to come to my neck of the woods and meet a guy named Randy

And that will always be the problem with Railboxes & Sandroads.  Each person will choose to see what they want to see.

Again, if the GM isnt actually railroading then it isnt a railroad. Railroads can crop up in any style campaign, but my point is if the GM is letting the pcs do what they want and approach the situation how they want, it doesnt seem like a railroad.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;598069Again, if the GM isnt actually railroading then it isnt a railroad. Railroads can crop up in any style campaign, but my point is if the GM is letting the pcs do what they want and approach the situation how they want, it doesnt seem like a railroad.

And my point is people will perceive what they want to perceive.

Quote from: Benoist;598060Nice excluded-middle, dude. One moment sandboxes are these horrible aimless places where there's nothing to do and nowhere to go, players don't know what to do and "you gotta have the railroad for these folks who need it, man," and the next there's "really" no difference between a sandbox and a railroad because "that's all the same, so, there's really no such thing as a sandbox."

You are trying WAY too hard, grasshopper. Your mental gymnastics are showing.

Of course I exclude that huge middle.   Railboxes and sandroads are the edge cases.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598093And my point is people will perceive what they want to perceive.

There are people who perceive the world to be flat. That doesn't mean that the world is flat.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;598159There are people who perceive the world to be flat. That doesn't mean that the world is flat.

And the fact that the world isn't flat doesn't keep some people from believing it is. If people who don't like railroading think you're railroading, it doesn't matter at all whether you agree.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598094Of course I exclude that huge middle.   Railboxes and sandroads are the edge cases.

More mental gymnastics.

Look. You might not be aware of this so I'll give you a tip: these things you are posting right now? They don't disappear when you make a new post on the thread later on. Everyone can see the way you've just tried to reframe the argument twice in a row.

That basically shows that you don't have an actual point, and are just engaging in it rhetorically.

You're not very good at this so... I thought I would let you know.

Good luck with that.

Y'know, words, like facts, mean something. The rest is disingenuous sophistry. Or as I called this 'example' earlier in this topic, "contrived."

The topic had no question here about the migration of meaning, just a malcontent from RPG.net trying to fabricate a "gotcha" pulled from their ass.

Now, go ahead and continue to play games...
When you're tired of trying to defend the contortions of the self-deluded and ready to rejoin the real world we'll still be waiting here.

Quote from: Benoist;598237More mental gymnastics.

Look. You might not be aware of this so I'll give you a tip: these things you are posting right now? They don't disappear when you make a new post on the thread later on. Everyone can see the way you've just tried to reframe the argument twice in a row.

That basically shows that you don't have an actual point, and are just engaging in it rhetorically.

You're not very good at this so... I thought I would let you know.

Good luck with that.

You quote part of a post of mine to toot your own opinion, then when I respond to your toot, you get to accuse me of 'reframing the argument'?

Quote from: taustin;598167And the fact that the world isn't flat doesn't keep some people from believing it is.

We have a word for those people: "wrong". We are not required to compensate for them. We can attempt to educate them, or we can avoid them, but the problem is squarely theirs, nor ours.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598476You quote part of a post of mine to toot your own opinion, then when I respond to your toot, you get to accuse me of 'reframing the argument'?

Pure rhetoric again. No substance.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;598554We have a word for those people: "wrong". We are not required to compensate for them. We can attempt to educate them, or we can avoid them, but the problem is squarely theirs, nor ours.

And they're not required to participate in your game. If you don't care about that, then you should't invite them in the first place. If you do, you need to take in to account what they expect, or you'll fail.

I guess the bottom line is, if you act like an asshole, people will treat you like an asshole. And it's an entirely two way street.

Quote from: taustin;598637And they're not required to participate in your game. If you don't care about that, then you should't invite them in the first place. If you do, you need to take in to account what they expect, or you'll fail.

I guess the bottom line is, if you act like an asshole, people will treat you like an asshole. And it's an entirely two way street.

If someone comes to my game and acts like an asshole then I'll treat them as one, like you say. I won't kowtow to their assholish refusal to face facts.

I wouldn't invite someone like that, if I knew they were like that. I have better things to do than play with dickheads who will never admit when they are wrong.

Quote from: Benoist;598583Pure rhetoric again. No substance.

You quote part of a post of mine to toot your own opinion, then when I respond to your toot, you get to accuse me of 'reframing the argument'?

Quote from: Doctor Jest;598639If someone comes to my game and acts like an asshole then I'll treat them as one, like you say.

And if someone comes to your game and acts like an asshole, they'll treat you as one, too.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;598639I won't kowtow to their assholish refusal to face facts.

Like the fact that they're not enjoying your game and you don't care?

Quote from: Doctor Jest;598639I wouldn't invite someone like that, if I knew they were like that.

And they wouldn't expect, if they knew you were like that.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;598639I have better things to do than play with dickheads who will never admit when they are wrong.

As do our hypothetical players.

I'm getting the impression that interpersonal skills and maturity are rather less common here than in the general population.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598681You quote part of a post of mine to toot your own opinion, then when I respond to your toot, you get to accuse me of 'reframing the argument'?

Pure rhetoric. No substance. And no imagination.