Quote from: Sacrosanct;588174I've been gaming since 1981.  I have never sucked a DM's cock.  I've DM'd most of that time.  I have never had my cock sucked by a player.  Man, nobody ever told me that that was a perk!

The downside is you'd have have it sucked by GC.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588167Yes, and hell fucking yes. The game becomes literally unplayable if you don't optimize everything and even if you do, you still become less effective at everything as you get stronger.

Deck building and optimization aren't the same thing. Optimization simply means getting the best mileage you can. Again, you could be highly optimized at weaving baskets.

Deck building means having access to choice pieces of splat (booster packs), knowing and avoiding the trap options, and knowledge of the entire ruleset to the point of predicting the impact of all the possible synergies.

I understand that 3e is a deck building paradise. I have read that 4e is not.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;588174I've DM'd most of that time.  I have never had my cock sucked by a player.  Man, nobody ever told me that that was a perk!

This is why I started frequenting these internet RPG forums, to learn the little quirks and foibles of the wider hobby.

Quote from: mcbobbo;588186Deck building means having access to choice pieces of splat (booster packs), knowing and avoiding the trap options, and knowledge of the entire ruleset to the point of predicting the impact of all the possible synergies.

I understand that 3e is a deck building paradise. I have read that 4e is not.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;588184The downside is you'd have have it sucked by GC.

I imagine the inside of his mouth feels the same as any other woman's.  The only problem (if I'm guessing correctly), is that I'd be arrested for statutory rape.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;588195I imagine the inside of his mouth feels the same as any other woman's.  

I'd rather not speculate.

Although, given the extensive experience he must have with sucking DM cock, based on how often he mentions it as the only option available to him, he's likely gotten skilled at it.

QuoteThe only problem (if I'm guessing correctly), is that I'd be arrested for statutory rape.

True, true.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;588194

Confirmed, then.

You do fear becoming a groknard.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;588165No, that's what I am talking about, being able to think your way out of the problem. You are incapable of that. You have to try to win the game with your character build alone because you suck at actual play. If you need to deck build your way out of a problem, then you suck. As a player, you could be replaced by a dice roller app in actual play and no one would notice.

Put you in a situation where ingenuity is required and you'd just shrivel up and beg to suck DM cock.

It's sad that all I have to do is quote you idiots at each other.

This is what "player ingenuity" actually looks like.

Quote from: Omnifray;588128What's more, as a player, you inevitably get to know how your GM's mind works. If you are truly a skilful player you may be able to read your GM like an open book.

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I certainly have one player at least who can generally read me like an open book. At the conclusion of a recent campaign I *nearly* had him with a trick of mine, but he saved himself in the nick of time. And in other aspects, it was a joy to watch him figuring stuff out unprompted.

If you are not using your characters abilities then your success is down to GM fiat. So yeah you better be getting in his head and on his good side if you want to do anything.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;588203If you are not using your characters abilities then your success is down to GM fiat. So yeah you better be getting in his head and on his good side if you want to do anything.

What do I roll to speak in character?

Quote from: mcbobbo;588186Deck building and optimization aren't the same thing. Optimization simply means getting the best mileage you can. Again, you could be highly optimized at weaving baskets.

Deck building means having access to choice pieces of splat (booster packs), knowing and avoiding the trap options, and knowledge of the entire ruleset to the point of predicting the impact of all the possible synergies.

I understand that 3e is a deck building paradise. I have read that 4e is not.

You have read... wrongly. We are literally talking about the game where they nerfed a class via errata and then published a new, similar class in a new book at about the same time. Fuck you Runepriests, fuck you.

We are literally talking about a game where if you pick the wrong class/race/stats/builds/feats/items you are outright incapable of hitting level appropriate enemies and wouldn't do jack even if you did hit.

In 3.x it depends on what you are playing. Full casters work even core only and don't benefit THAT much from non core (it's really hard to improve upon what is already awesome), non casters have to assemble a bunch of junk together from many different sources but it still has nothing on 4th edition.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;588203If you are not using your characters abilities then your success is down to GM fiat. So yeah you better be getting in his head and on his good side if you want to do anything.

In his head or on it.

What these fucks are missing is that if I wanted to have my succeed based on my ability to manipulate others, I'd win old school D&D forever right now. Thing is though? I don't treat my friends that way.

I'm completely fine with maneuvering some dumbfucks on the internet into self destructing, but my friends are people that I treat with the utmost respect. So when a game tells you "be a dick to your friends or don't play this game"... well the only way to win is not to play.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588209I don't treat my friends that way.

That's because you don't have any friends.

QuoteI'm completely fine with maneuvering some dumbfucks on the internet into self destructing...

You must mean you are completely fine watching someone else do that, because you clearly can't even maneuver food into your cock holster without significant assistance.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;588203...

If you are not using your characters abilities then your success is down to GM fiat. So yeah you better be getting in his head and on his good side if you want to do anything.

Look, I'm genuinely sorry that you've only ever had really bad GMs.

I can see why someone with that experience would want the DMG to tell the GM how difficult an encounter ought to be, and what Challenge Rating of monsters to throw at the party.

But honestly, and I make this comment in good faith and sincerely, get yourself to a gaming convention and play a variety of totally different games, not D&D 3rd edition or 4th nor any variant of them, not Pathfinder, not d20, not OGL. Play games under a variety of different GMs. Play some RuneQuest, some WHFRP 2e, some Call of Cthulhu [God, you'd probably vom playing that], play some Amber Diceless (which I've never played but still), play some Vampire: the Requiem, just play some different stuff.

Put all your preconceptions aside and just play the games for what they are. Without worrying about what's mechanically optimal or whether the rules are doing a good job. Just let it all go and see if you have a fun ride.

Maybe you'll get lucky, get a great GM and see how different things can be.

Edited to add:- PS, also, play some LARP. I mean, OK so that's my standard answer to everything, but seriously, play some LARP. But don't go mouthing off about the rules like you're doing here or you'll just get shunned.

Quote from: StormBringer;588216That's because you don't have any friends.

Sorry to disappoint you empty wind boy, but not everyone shares your distaste for competence and intelligence. Most prefer it in their fellow people, though tabletop gaming mostly gets the bad people.

That said, I have a mutual respect for non idiots.

I also love how all the games Omni mentioned consist of the DM fucking with the player in some blatantly obvious way. As if that would help anyone be convinced this should not be happening because they don't like it.

Quote from: mcbobbo;588205What do I roll to speak in character?

You roll a save vs whatever is keeping you from speaking.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588223Sorry to disappoint you empty wind boy, but not everyone shares your distaste for competence and intelligence.

No, I just dislike people who pretend competence and intelligence.  Luckily, they are pretty easy to spot.  They say absolutely moronic things like "Weighted averages are intellectually dishonest".

QuoteMost prefer it in their fellow people, though tabletop gaming mostly gets the bad people.

Of which you are the ultimate example.

QuoteThat said, I have a mutual respect for non idiots.

You wouldn't recognize one if they were pointed out to you.

QuoteI also love how all the games Omni mentioned consist of the DM fucking with the player in some blatantly obvious way. As if that would help anyone be convinced this should not be happening because they don't like it.

What I really love is how the games Omni mentioned don't have DMs.  Also, how you continue to talk about games other than D&D like you have even the slightest clue about them.  Case in point:  You have no reference point for the referee in other games, and the only term you know of is "DM".