Quote from: Benoist;586544Dude, whenever the guy is pwned he just ignores the post and shifts the goalposts.

I'm not sure he even knows what he's trying to say at this point.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;586538http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/nature/1440x1080/Cypress_Trees_Horseshoe_Lake_Conservation_Area_Illinois_1440x1080.jpg

Ah, that is a cello for the heart.

What was this all about again?

Quote from: Benoist;586544Dude, whenever the guy is pwned he just ignores the post and shifts the goalposts.

He's a moron, and he seems to have no fucking idea that people aren't nearly as dumb as he thinks they are and can, you know, "read" or something, and notice what's been answered, and what hasn't. You'll also note that's a favorite technique of the rest of the Denner gang (to just ignore shit and move the goalposts), DeadDM included.

Still. I had some good fun running this moron's face in his nonsense.

You have been entertaining this morning, Mister GC. Thank you.

Bitch, please. The only thing that's been pwned is my free time, because I spent it slapping you fools around.

If people here can read then perhaps they should fucking show it? Then ya know, I could treat them like a person and not a subhuman thing. Who knows, we might even have a productive and interesting discussion!

Nah, too much to hope for I think.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586541And then ya know, there's the small matter of you thinking OMG a Druid we're gonna have a... oh wait, false alarm. It's just an easy fight. Wait, why the fuck did my divinations show these as threats? They're clearly not.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586548Who knows, we might even have a productive and interesting discussion!

Nah, too much to hope for I think.

With you it would in fact seem too much to hope for, because you don't concede points, ever.  You make statements that are demonstrated to be outright lies.  Then you ignore it when you're called on it, and try to shift the topic.

"Productive"?  On what planet?

"Interesting"?  Sort of.  But beating up the crippled kid only lasts so long.  Arguing with someone who has no integrity is too easy.  They can never convince you of their points, and very little of what they say has any merit.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;586543Lucky me!


Do you have problems with context? You said there are no trees "because it's a fucking lake". I'm pointing out there are trees in lakes.

And you ignored other cases I mentioned like

Island.
Sunken Forest.

A few disclaimers:

* I haven't really been following that whole line of discussion mostly because I don't like reading walls of text, so I don't know if the whole debate issue is "they can see you coming" or not.  If not, forgive me
* I am only fairly familiar with 3e because I don't play it hardly at all.

That said...

Right now I have a 3e elf cleric with the travel domain.  Maybe I don't understand the spells completely, but I'm pretty sure there's a spell that allows me to travel from tree to tree in a teleporting sense.  Wouldn't that render his point moot?

Just put the stupid little cunt on ignore and move on to more productive threads or even post a productive thread of your own.

Gasp! It doesn't even have to be about d&d!

Quote from: Mr. GC;586548Bitch, please. The only thing that's been pwned is my free time, because I spent it slapping you fools around.

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Quote from: Sacrosanct;586550Right now I have a 3e elf cleric with the travel domain.  Maybe I don't understand the spells completely, but I'm pretty sure there's a spell that allows me to travel from tree to tree in a teleporting sense.  Wouldn't that render his point moot?

I'm also pretty sure that the fact that a great many DMs create their own monsters (or their own variants) and always have also renders his point moot.

There's also more options than "Druid" or "Dryad" even if you stick with published material, which there's no reason to do.
Heck, maybe it's a Lyrannikin.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;586550A few disclaimers:

* I haven't really been following that whole line of discussion mostly because I don't like reading walls of text, so I don't know if the whole debate issue is "they can see you coming" or not.  If not, forgive me
* I am only fairly familiar with 3e because I don't play it hardly at all.

That said...

Right now I have a 3e elf cleric with the travel domain.  Maybe I don't understand the spells completely, but I'm pretty sure there's a spell that allows me to travel from tree to tree in a teleporting sense.  Wouldn't that render his point moot?

The whole debate is here's how a good party succeeds, here's how a bad party fails. People would rather sperg about an irrelevant Haste tangent and later, about some trees.

Tree Stride is Druid 5, Ranger 4, not travel domain so minimum level 9... not available to the party here.

Even if it were since the whole tree tangent is about "If you expect a Druid, and get these tree things that are not Druids instead that's easier and a massive relief" so if you're getting at you can just use this to skip straight to the boss, thereby making the boss a liability... that is not a point in contention!

Oh and an interesting parallel. The defining trait of the bad party is that they could barely even attempt the adventure, instead dying to mooks before they are even aware that the other, more meaningful foes exist.

The defining trait of the idiot squad trying to argue with me is that they can barely even attempt to address my actual points, instead losing to side tangents like haste and trees before they are even aware that the other, more meaningful points exist.

TheRPGsite = gimp posters. True story.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586557The whole debate is here's how a good party succeeds, here's how a bad party fails. People would rather sperg about an irrelevant Haste tangent and later, about some trees.

"Let's forget about this shit I've just been saying when I was completely and utterly wrong about basic math skills and probabilities, anything having to do with using spells in an actual game, clearly showed I have no imagination whatsoever and think completely linearly like I was lobotomized at an early age. PLEASE indulge me. Let me rewind and repeat the same total bullshit I've been going on and on about forever so we can go on yet some other tangents where I will demonstrate my complete ineptitude and lack of understanding of any of the basic concepts behind the AD&D game but who cares! These are just details. Scratches. Merely flesh wounds! Come on and fight me now!"

Quote from: Mr. GC;586558The defining trait of the idiot squad trying to argue with me is that they can barely even attempt to address my actual points, instead losing to side tangents like haste and trees before they are even aware that the other, more meaningful points exist.

I think the major point of contention here is whether or not any of your points are "meaningful". The basis of this counter-argument appears to be that your arguments are fundamentally flawed in unsalvageable ways that render your larger points rather moot, which makes the "meaningful" points anything but.

QuoteTheRPGsite = gimp posters. True story.

What does a freeware photo editing software suite have to do with this?

Quote from: Mr. GC;586557Even if it were since the whole tree tangent is about "If you expect a Druid, and get these tree things that are not Druids instead that's easier and a massive relief" so if you're getting at you can just use this to skip straight to the boss, thereby making the boss a liability... that is not a point in contention!

Here I'll link it for you again:

Quote from: Mr. GC;586003It's called deductive reasoning. When the enemy is described as "turns nature against you" any experienced player automatically deduces "Druid" (the alternative, Ranger, is completely ignorable in 3.x and when the question that prompts this answer is something along the lines of what threats exist there, listing a Ranger as one is outright dishonest).

Where's my link?

Look guys, my entire point is to illustrate that this kid has little to no integrity.  The original rebuttal was something along the lines of a caution about reading too much into divination, and how easy it is for a good GM to manipulate the setting to keep the story moving forward.

So, my recap is something close to this -

Kid - Good parties use divination.

Me - Only against a bad GM.  It didn't HAVE to be a druid.

Kid - It can't be anything but a druid because there are no trees in a swamp.

Me - There are trees in swamps.  Lots of them.

Kid - I didn't say swamp, I said lake.  And they were in a speedboat.

Me - That's crap, show me where you even said swamp.

Kid - Well, it's a lake, and there are no trees in a lake.

And so on...

If anyone keeping track sees it from a different point of view, please chime in.  I don't want to be a total ass here.  I just want Mr GC to step up his integrity so we can move forward.

Quote from: Benoist;586559"Let's forget about this shit I've just been saying when I was completely and utterly wrong about basic math skills and probabilities, anything having to do with using spells in an actual game, clearly showed I have no imagination whatsoever and think completely linearly like I was lobotomized at an early age. PLEASE indulge me. Let me rewind and repeat the same total bullshit I've been going on and on about forever so we can go on yet some other tangents where I will demonstrate my complete ineptitude and lack of understanding of any of the basic concepts behind the AD&D game but who cares! These are just details. Scratches. Merely flesh wounds! Come on and fight me now!"

Hard to forget something that never actually happened.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;586560I think the major point of contention here is whether or not any of your points are "meaningful". The basis of this counter-argument appears to be that your arguments are fundamentally flawed in unsalvageable ways that render your larger points rather moot, which makes the "meaningful" points anything but.

Nah. What's fundamentally flawed is people doing shit like this:

QuoteWhat does a freeware photo editing software suite have to do with this?

Where they either sperg out or make a very obvious troll instead of understanding and addressing the actual point.

Now you can join them, but before you do you should know you are joining them in a fire.