Quote from: Sacrosanct;586517:rotfl:

Oh, I have.  And to be honest, it doesn't exactly help your position.

AGC starts off by showing how older editions were actually played. The Fighter is loaded with magic items and his player does everything from reading the sourcebooks and memorizing them to metagame to reading his DM's notes to blatantly cheating or lying about the rules and still only barely keeps up. The "I cast Fireball, centered on myself" character is only interested in burning things and doesn't much care what those things are or care for such things as thought, foresight, or anything else that isn't fire. The one and later two casters end up doing the vast majority of the actual work. Even with the party being a bunch of rampant powergamers, and cheaters in the case of the Fighter player they still die somewhat regularly... and that's with the DM holding back considerably and playing enemies dumb, such as by having Vampires use a weapon when their natural attacks are deadlier than any sword. In classic old edition fashion the DM also fucks with the players regularly, such as deliberately and retroactively introducing the "I disbelieve the air" trap because standard anti trap precautions take forever to actually play out and old edition illusions were an exercise in "I disbelieve the floor, walls, ceiling..." in a mindlessly pedantic manner.

They eventually update to 3.5, where even a heavy powergamer quickly demonstrates the incompetence of the Fighter class by having to cheat in order to kill a Rogue of all things. Naturally, the Cleric is a lot better.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506It's always been a swamp in a lake.

Link, or it didn't happen.  Stop dodging and dig up the god damn link, for fuck's sake.

If you can, that is.

If you cannot, just admit you're trolling.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Yeah, see that part where they get spotted at 500 feet, and take 12-13 rounds to close in?

Was.

It.

A.

Speedboat?

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Visibility and movement mother fucker

Yes, my wife has birthed two boys, and is indeed a mother.  How is this relevant?

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Ah, we're back to Asperger's induced reading comprehension failure. What's the matter, fucking up in new and different ways frighten you?

You're boring me now.

Look, dude, you can't insult me at this point.  I've seen through your bullshit lies and have exposed them.

Shut me up, post the link to your description that makes you right from the very beginning.  PLEASE.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Responding to your posts is now changing the topic?

Okay, fine.  Where's my link?  Again, did you previously describe this swamp-lake from the beginning, as a situation that existed in actual reality, or not?

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Says the person who has added absolutely nothing except oh yeah, the bad party dies about three times harder than you said, therefore... you're wrong?

I'll acknowledge that you've regained your composure, but you still haven't provided my link.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586506Fuck, all I need is for one more person as stupid as you to try and argue with me and the real world will start physically reshaping itself to resemble the elf game world we are currently discussing, that is how well you are making my points for me.

If I'm making your points, where's my LINK?

You're a douche.  Stop dodging and admit it.

Oh, and since I'm about to wrap up any effort to say anything to you other than 'where is my link' - chromatic dragons have hard-coded alignments.

Now while you ponder that, where's my link?

Quote from: mcbobbo;586521Link, or it didn't happen.  Stop dodging and dig up the god damn link, for fuck's sake.

If you can, that is.

If you cannot, just admit you're trolling.

Can you read? No? Then GTFO.

QuoteWas.

It.

A.

Speedboat?

Are.

You.

A.

Sperglord?

QuoteYes, my wife has birthed two boys, and is indeed a mother.  How is this relevant?

How are you relevant?

QuoteOh, and since I'm about to wrap up any effort to say anything to you other than 'where is my link' - chromatic dragons have hard-coded alignments.

Now while you ponder that, where's my link?

Uh huh. The dragon is evil. In what way does this change how you fight it? Because ya know, even if it was a gold dragon the fact it isn't attacking all the other stuff there must mean it is at least ambivalent to it if not actively supporting it.

So if you're trying to make some troll point of maybe the dragon isn't hostile, you are failing harder than your reading abilities. And if not, try making some fucking sense and people can understand you. It helps if you remove the barrel of cocks before speaking.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586523Can you read? No? Then GTFO.

I'm a fan of reading.

Where's my link?

Quote from: mcbobbo;586525I'm a fan of reading.

Where's my link?

Here it is.



It's falling into a fucking pit because losing a half heart means 35% chance to die instantly.

Jump in after it. Or do I need to go This. Is. SPARTA! on you?

Quote from: Mr. GC;586528Here it is.

That doesn't illustrate your correctness in any way.

You specifically said that you were right all along and that searching your post history would illustrate it.

Either put up or shut up.  The adults are trying to talk.

It would be so super easy to find that post.  You know when you made it, in what thread, in reply to whom, etc.  I can't imagine why you're not doing it.

Unless, that is, you're full of shit and should be ignored outright.

I is sad, because he won't answer my question.  He doesn't even need a wall of text to answer it, so it's not like I'm asking too much.

Am I?

Asking too much?

Quote from: Sacrosanct;586533I is sad, because he won't answer my question.  He doesn't even need a wall of text to answer it, so it's not like I'm asking too much.

Am I?

Asking too much?

If 'asking too much' means 'asking him to be reasonable', then I think the answer has to be yes.

He's trolling, and I'm confident it is proven at this point.

Too bad it isn't bannable, but it is really, really bad form at the very least.

Quote from: mcbobbo;586532That doesn't illustrate your correctness in any way.

You specifically said that you were right all along and that searching your post history would illustrate it.

Either put up or shut up.  The adults are trying to talk.

It would be so super easy to find that post.  You know when you made it, in what thread, in reply to whom, etc.  I can't imagine why you're not doing it.

Unless, that is, you're full of shit and should be ignored outright.

I gave you the link to my posts, if you can't read them than pictures of Link falling into pits is more relevant than anything you have to say.

And because you have no interest in not going full retard you are disqualified from this discussion.

Right, so before the sperglords derailed the thread we had a good party getting a general idea of what they were up against, extrapolating the rest then planning and using their resources well to deal with that with few problems and no causalities and a bad party who is lucky to even attempt the adventure (success is entirely out of the equation) because even if they think of such things as "Don't advance in plain sight on the lake's surface, find a way of concealing yourself so you won't be noticed well in advance." they have zero means of actually doing that.

I mean, approaching a likely guard post across what is for all intents and purposes an open field... It's even easier to work out that's a bad idea than it is to work out that Lizardfolk live in swamps. But since you can't do anything about it it's either go suicide, or stay at home. Also, as this thread has proven there really are poster children for abortion in the world. There really are people too stupid to live.

Will the idiot squad now attempt to claim that knowing crossing an open field in plain sight is a bad idea is metagaming? Will their stupidity sink to new lows? Will they sperg out some more and take "what is for all intents and purposes an open field" to be "OMG you said it was a lake GOALPOST SHIFT LALALA CAN'T HEAR LOGIC"?

I think we all know the answers already, but feel free to pleasantly surprise me!

Quote from: Mr. GC;586455There aren't trees in the lake because it's a fucking lake.

Never heard of Cypress trees, I take it?

http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/nature/1440x1080/Cypress_Trees_Horseshoe_Lake_Conservation_Area_Illinois_1440x1080.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2702/4107936299_d6d207bcbc.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Cypress_Trees_in_Greenfield_Lake.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/fishing/1/0/K/v/cypresstreeb.jpg

Or Islands?
http://www.freenaturepictures.com/assets/images/lores/treeonisland.jpg

Or sunken forests?
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/most-incredible-sunken-forests/20675

Quote from: Mr. GC;586537I gave you the link to my posts, if you can't read them than pictures of Link falling into pits is more relevant than anything you have to say.

BULLSHIT.  I've pointed out that you never linked that post many, many, many times.  You have provided dick.

You never said it, asswhipe.  You know it, I know it.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;586538Never heard of Cypress trees, I take it?

http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/nature/1440x1080/Cypress_Trees_Horseshoe_Lake_Conservation_Area_Illinois_1440x1080.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2702/4107936299_d6d207bcbc.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Cypress_Trees_in_Greenfield_Lake.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/fishing/1/0/K/v/cypresstreeb.jpg

Or Islands?
http://www.freenaturepictures.com/assets/images/lores/treeonisland.jpg

I'll humor you, but only once.

"Each dryad is mystically bound to a single, enormous oak tree and must never stray more than 300 yards from it. Any who do become ill and die within 4d6 hours. A dryad's oak does not radiate magic. "

Oak is spelled C y p r e s s?



Not a small tree.

And then ya know, there's the small matter of you thinking OMG a Druid we're gonna have a... oh wait, false alarm. It's just an easy fight. Wait, why the fuck did my divinations show these as threats? They're clearly not.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586541I'll humor you, but only once.

Lucky me!

Quote"Each dryad is mystically bound to a single, enormous oak tree and must never stray more than 300 yards from it. Any who do become ill and die within 4d6 hours. A dryad’s oak does not radiate magic. "

Oak is spelled C y p r e s s?

Do you have problems with context? You said there are no trees "because it's a fucking lake". I'm pointing out there are trees in lakes.

And you ignored other cases I mentioned like

Island.
Sunken Forest.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;586533I is sad, because he won't answer my question.  He doesn't even need a wall of text to answer it, so it's not like I'm asking too much.

Am I?

Asking too much?

Dude, whenever the guy is pwned he just ignores the post and shifts the goalposts.

He's a moron, and he seems to have no fucking idea that people aren't nearly as dumb as he thinks they are and can, you know, "read" or something, and notice what's been answered, and what hasn't. You'll also note that's a favorite technique of the rest of the Denner gang (to just ignore shit and move the goalposts), DeadDM included.

Still. I had some good fun running this moron's face in his nonsense.

You have been entertaining this morning, Mister GC. Thank you.

Quote from: Mr. GC;586541I'll humor you, but only once.

Please go ahead and humor him.  Do lakes have trees in them or not?

Also, the point you made was it HAD TO BE a druid.

Here I'll link it for you:

Quote from: Mr. GC;586003It's called deductive reasoning. When the enemy is described as "turns nature against you" any experienced player automatically deduces "Druid" (the alternative, Ranger, is completely ignorable in 3.x and when the question that prompts this answer is something along the lines of what threats exist there, listing a Ranger as one is outright dishonest).

So even in your moving of the goalposts, you move the goalposts.

Where's my link?