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You don't fucking win at D&D

Started by Sacrosanct, September 24, 2012, 05:59:46 PM

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Mr. GC

#60
September 25, 2012, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: StormBringer;585499There are no worthless classes, just worthless players.

There are both, such as when an otherwise useful class is played poorly. This also happens in bad groups. Healbot Clerics, anyone? Generally though the problem is that the character is literally incapable of contributing anything other than Kenny jokes without a trip back to the drawing board.

As such, either you can send them back or the enemies can. I find being told nicely by a friend to think it through far more pleasant than getting flattened by my opponent in a single round, but perhaps you're into the pain thing?
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

StormBringer

#61
September 25, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. GC;585507There are both, such as when an otherwise useful class is played poorly. This also happens in bad groups. Healbot Clerics, anyone? Generally though the problem is that the character is literally incapable of contributing anything other than Kenny jokes without a trip back to the drawing board.
Like I said, worthless players.

QuoteAs such, either you can send them back or the enemies can. I find being told nicely by a friend to think it through far more pleasant than getting flattened by my opponent in a single round, but perhaps you're into the pain thing?
I am into the "not gaming with useless douchebags" thing.  You may discover it someday.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

StormBringer

#62
September 25, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: KenHR;585438Oh, shit...this is gonna get serious.
Shit.  Just.  Got.  REAL.
If you read the above post, you owe me $20 for tutoring fees

\'Let them call me rebel, and welcome, I have no concern for it, but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.\'
- Thomas Paine
\'Everything doesn\'t need

Mr. GC

#63
September 25, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: StormBringer;585511Like I said, worthless players.


I am into the "not gaming with useless douchebags" thing.  You may discover it someday.

And yet you in every way fit the profile of one. So does that mean you don't play with yourself?
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

Benoist

#64
September 25, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
This thread already warped itself out of shape to then reform as page 464 of the Wizard v. Fighter thread. Amazing.

Mr. GC

#65
September 25, 2012, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: Benoist;585524This thread already warped itself out of shape to then reform as page 464 of the Wizard v. Fighter thread. Amazing.

Lol. Not really.
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

TristramEvans

#66
September 25, 2012, 06:48:57 PM
So we all know you don't win at D&D, but someone needs to explain to people that you don't win at D&D class debates online either....

Bedrockbrendan

#67
September 25, 2012, 06:54:22 PM
Quote from: Benoist;585524This thread already warped itself out of shape to then reform as page 464 of the Wizard v. Fighter thread. Amazing.

Any thread with denners in it is bound to do so. Its like a gestault shape-shifting horror out of Dr. who or Red Dwarf.

beejazz

#68
September 25, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
Click on Mr. GC's name. Click on find all posts. Note that there is zero content applicable to actual gaming. Put GC on IL. Move the fuck on.

Things were still interesting when it was just Kaelic, DeadDM, MGuy, and maybe I'm forgetting someone. LM and GC are not interested in actual conversation and anyone who's been paying attention already knows it.

You want to have the thread you started and not the thread you got? Good. Go do that.

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I've never encountered people looking to "win" IRL in any RPG, at least not in the manner described in the OP. I have, however, known the occasional sore loser. Usually the only thing bad enough to trigger this is actual character death though.

Mr. GC

#69
September 25, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
Most of the Den doesn't actually give a fuck. They've written off all editions of Fighter as worthless and moved on with their lives, as have I. Unfortunately, due in part to the mentality displayed here I end up encountering some moron who thinks that making sure the party collectively gets to see less of the future and summon fewer angels is a remarkable campaign contribution.

Ultimately he shall contribute that in death which he could not in life.
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

Bedrockbrendan

#70
September 25, 2012, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. GC;585534Most of the Den doesn't actually give a fuck. They've written off all editions of Fighter as worthless and moved on with their lives, as have I. Unfortunately, due in part to the mentality displayed here I end up encountering some moron who thinks that making sure the party collectively gets to see less of the future and summon fewer angels is a remarkable campaign contribution.

Ultimately he shall contribute that in death which he could not in life.

The point some are making is we have already had that discussion many times, and had an enormous thread called wizard v fighter where both sides (incuding the denners) made all the possible arguments about class parity issues over the major editions of D&D. We dont need to turn every thread into wizard v fighter.

Mr. GC

#71
September 25, 2012, 07:09:37 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;585538The point some are making is we have already had that discussion many times, and had an enormous thread called wizard v fighter where both sides (incuding the denners) made all the possible arguments about class parity issues over the major editions of D&D. We dont need to turn every thread into wizard v fighter.

It isn't all about Wizards though. Or Fighters. Yes, in bad groups it's likely a Wizard will have to carry the party through everything, and yes Fighters are notoriously bad but they're hardly alone in either group, nor is it strictly a class based divide.

Sure it's more common a given character can't do something useful than it is that they won't, but both are very possible.

A good group starts with avoiding the bad classes but the vast majority of it comes down to what you do during actual play as there is a massive difference between... just to give one example:

Party systematically presses the attack, sweeps room to room and clears out everything quickly and efficiently, often before it is ready for them.
Party, for whatever reason is not able to effectively coordinate, and so the enemy forces get about five buff rounds then swarm the group.

These two scenarios are the difference between winning and losing horribly in the vast majority of cases.

Also, LMFAO at the moron that said none of my posts pertain to actual play. Bitch, please. I've played every edition. Even 4th for as long as I could tolerate it (15 minutes).
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.

Bedrockbrendan

#72
September 25, 2012, 07:12:53 PM Last Edit: September 25, 2012, 07:18:45 PM by BedrockBrendan
Quote from: Mr. GC;585549It isn't all about Wizards though. Or Fighters.  ).

I wasn't inviting you to debate the subject with me. I was noting that this thread is just becoming a continuation of the Fighter v Wizard thread (which also went beyond just fighters and wizards).

Mr. GC

#73
September 25, 2012, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;585555I was inviting you to debate the subject with me. I was noting that this thread is just becoming a continuation of the Fighter v Wizard thread (which also went beyond just fighters and wizards).

Should that be wasn't?
Quote from: The sound of Sacro getting SaccedA weapon with a special ability must have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

Quote from: JRR;593157No, but it is a game with rules.  If the results of the dice are not to be accepted, why bother rolling the dice.  So you can accept the good rolls and ignore the bad?  Yeah, let\'s give everyone a trophy.

Quote from: The best quote of all time!Honestly. Go. Play. A. Larp. For. A. While.

Eventually you will realise you were a retard and sucked until you did.
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