Quote from: misterguignol;584595You would say that, EUROCENTRIST!

I am the problem the world must solve.


As for the OSR, whatever the fuck that is, enterprise has gradually replaced enthusiasm as its motive force. While enterprise was an acceptable, and even desired element, as a prime mover it is shit and leads to the proliferation of shit.

Quote from: Gib;584597I am the problem the world must solve.


As for the OSR, whatever the fuck that is, enterprise has gradually replaced enthusiasm as its motive force. While enterprise was an acceptable, and even desired element, as a prime mover it is shit and leads to the proliferation of shit.

Pretty much.

But what do I know, I make all my stuff available for free anyway.

You're right, everything is terrible and nobody will ever think up anything good ever again.

Quote from: Zak S;584600You're right, everything is terrible and nobody will ever think up anything good ever again.

Did anyone actually say or imply that?  Because, if so...WEIRD!

Quote from: misterguignol;584601Did anyone actually say or imply that?  Because, if so...WEIRD!

Please don't tell me you are actually taking this conversation seriously.

Quote from: Zak S;584602Please don't tell me you are actually taking this conversation seriously.

I should have used a smiley or something.

Quote from: misterguignol;584603I should have used a smiley or something.

No, that just fucks up the internet tough guy thing we've got going.

I consider the RPGsite banner to basically be a giant all-encompassing smiley.

Quote from: misterguignol;584599I make all my stuff available for free anyway.

On the off chance I ever finish anything, this is my intent as well. If something is for sale I will follow your lead and donate the money to charity.

Quote from: TristramEvans;584588So...you invested in this kickstarter, and its late. and you're angry. Have you asked for your money back and James refused? I don't understand what could be upsetting you about this otherwise.

Price you pay if you want to play.

Quote from: _kent_;584591An even deeper issue and possibly related is the observation that 75+% of gamers appear to be unemployed and/or chronically depressed.

95% of gamers don't post on online gaming forums. thus 75% is only 75% of 5%

Does having multiple OSR rules hacks really split the fan base that much? For starters, despite the press and recognition it gets, at best these iterations move a few thousand units. That is peanuts compared to the big players in D&D. I wouldn't be surprised if the 1E re-release sold more copies than the entire product of the OSR for that year. That's not even to speak of Paizo or even the worst selling dross from 4E.

So the OSR is relatively small but by and large it IS relatively cashed up when compared to regular gamers. When you also factor in that many OSR products are relatively cheap what you get is people buying multiple rules sets. That is certainly the impression I get on this forum and also with my personal purchases. A lot of the retro stuff can be downloaded for free or at very least previewed extensively. People who like the free stuff are also pretty inclined to then go and purchase the Hardcopy too.

I downloaded the free SWN and liked it so much I bought the Hardcopy of both it and An Echo Resounding. I also have LotFP and DCC in Hardcopy and even a PDF of ACKS. I have run LotFP for over a year (with a couple of things from ACKS) and next up a co DM will be running SWN. I will definitely run DCC in the future. Everything is so cross compatible why not mix and match?

Quote from: Fiasco;584611Does having multiple OSR rules hacks really split the fan base that much? For starters, despite the press and recognition it gets, at best these iterations move a few thousand units. That is peanuts compared to the big players in D&D. I wouldn't be surprised if the 1E re-release sold more copies than the entire product of the OSR for that year. That's not even to speak of Paizo or even the worst selling dross from 4E.

So the OSR is relatively small but by and large it IS relatively cashed up when compared to regular gamers. When you also factor in that many OSR products are relatively cheap what you get is people buying multiple rules sets. That is certainly the impression I get on this forum and also with my personal purchases. A lot of the retro stuff can be downloaded for free or at very least previewed extensively. People who like the free stuff are also pretty inclined to then go and purchase the Hardcopy too.

I downloaded the free SWN and liked it so much I bought the Hardcopy of both it and An Echo Resounding. I also have LotFP and DCC in Hardcopy and even a PDF of ACKS. I have run LotFP for over a year (with a couple of things from ACKS) and next up a co DM will be running SWN. I will definitely run DCC in the future. Everything is so cross compatible why not mix and match?

Because labeling, hyperbole and hysteria are more fun than rational behavior.

Quote from: Ladybird;584507So not "the newer products are better!", but "the newer products provide more explicit support and resources!".

Isn't that the thought process that gave us UA, 2e, and WOTC D&D?

Quote from: Fiasco;584611Does having multiple OSR rules hacks really split the fan base that much?

I don't think so. I think if anything the choices are a good thing, long term. They allow you to cobble together bits from each, and run what you like. In the short term, I think the glut of hacks, in some way resemble the d20 glut early in the century. Too many of the same thing saying the same thing. You have to work harder to find what you like.

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