Quote from: Planet Algol;582838I'm laughing at the idea that James' blog posts are somehow taking time away from Dwimmermount.

He can blog as much as he wants. The issue is that no where during his tedious summations of Ares does he mention Dwimmermount is off the rails. It is only when a stick has been raised that Tavis said anything. Jim has yet, in any open way say anything. A backer update is one thing, but this is the m-fer who begs for free games publicly. He cannot mention that he might be running late?

IRWS

Quote from: Spinachcat;582869Were you aware of the issues with Fourth Millennium and Petty Gods before you backed Dwimmermount?

If so, why did you back his project?

Becasue it was not Jim doing this, but a company. I assumed (and yes I guess I am a ass) that since Autarch was running the show, they knew the status and would get it out on time.

I mean, hell the kickstarter makes it clear: "Dwimmermount: An Old School Fantasy RPG Megadungeon by Autarch"

"Project by Autarch"

Company logo. Link to company website.

Then you learn this:

Quoteand second by the fact that our contract with Grognardia Games had us manage the Kickstarter process and then turn over all of the funds collected and the responsibility for fulfilling the backer rewards. The project management role I'm doing now is unpaid and unplanned. That said, even if James has at times overestimated how quickly he will be able to fulfill his promises, I don't doubt he is committed to doing so. The continuing progress on level drafts is, for me, evidence enough that he's still working to deliver the dungeon as originally projected.

Source: http://www.autarch.co/comment/8743#comment-8743

I will give Jim the Scam credit. He found a willing patsy for his exist strategy. He takes the money. Autarch takes the blame.

IRWS

Quote from: Endless Flight;582975Yeah, but didn't James have copious notes to refine the final product from? It's not like he's pulling the final draft from thin air. Hasn't Dwimmermount been in his brain for twenty years (not really sure when he started it)?

Most of us know the creative process is subject to inspiration, but refining a rough draft and doing retrospectives on Ares magazine aren't that far removed from each other.

Ding. We have a winner.

IRWS

Quote from: Exploderwizard;583047[Dwimmermount update #24]

Delays in writing are something James has to take responsibility for, but since I was the primary author of the Kickstarter project page I bear the brunt of the responsibility for not clearly communicating that your backing would be used to support James' time in writing up the dungeon from his notes. If you thought that Dwimmermount was all but finished and just needed to be polished and published, the state of affairs I'm sketching in these updates is understandably upsetting and I can only apologize for my failure to give you the correct impression from the beginning.

[End quote]

This might have something to do with it.

Yes. And even more importantly, when the fuck were they planning on delivering:

Quote...we need your feedback to make the finished product as responsive to your needs as a gamer as it possibly can be. As a backer, we'll strive to provide you with opportunities to experience Dwimmermount as a player. You'll get maps and legends you can use to run it for others. And you'll get each successive draft of the text, so you can watch how your experience of turning the written dungeon into a living realm of mystery and danger reflects James' reverse process of making his campaign notes into a form usable by others.

Source: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/autarch/dwimmermount?ref=live

Even more, the fucking PDF was supposedly going to be set in stone by June anyway, so June is not the time when you should say: Time to create the experience.

IRWS

Quote from: Justin Alexander;5830505 days. And 9 days before that.

Starting August 10th, backers of the Kickstarter have been receiving roughly weekly updates regarding the status of the project. It is, in fact, the content of these weekly updates which drove I Run With Scissors into frothing, irrational madness.

Irrational because I Run With Scissors was convinced that the "internal schedule" in the August 31st update represented their original timeline when, in fact, it represented their new timeline for getting the project back on track. This was the entire basis for his anger: That the project now has deadlines which are later than the original deadline, which "proves" that they never intended to deliver on time.

So, no, these updates did not start arriving "only after the shitstorm touched down". Ironically, it was because Autarch made an effort to communicate indepth about what the problems were and how they were fixing them step-by-step that the Scissors created his nonsensical shitstorm.

Wrong.

There are two simple questions:

1. Did they preform any form of due diligence before entering into a contract with anyone?

2. Did they at least see a manuscript before you agreed to the terms?

This is basic business practice. There is no fucking room for sunshine and lollipops and good old fashion blind faith. Divorce Jim from this. If it was any one who came to them with the proposition of running a Kickstarter for them, would they not make sure to protect themselves? For fuck sake, any contract, any business entering into one, has to preform some basic form of due diligence to make sure they are not walking into something like this.

They could have, and still believe, that Jim will fulfill his end of the margin -- no matter how one sided it is -- but they owe it to themselves to make sure you have some protection. For me, if I was going to do this, I would at least like to know if a manuscript is almost done.

They, and their defenders, like to state, ad nauseam that this was all about about cooperative development and that I am reading this wrong. Look at the mother fucking timeline:

Launched: Mar 2, 2012

Update 1 — 3/3/2012
Update 2 — 3/3/2012
Update 3 — 3/5/2012
Update 4 — 3/7/2012
Update 5 — 3/21/2012
Update 6 — 3/21/2012
Update 7 — 4/7/2012
Update 8 — 4/8/2012
Update 9 — 4/11/2012
Update 10 — 4/13/2012
Update 11 — 4/14/2012
Update 12 — 4/14/2012
Update 13 — 4/14/2012

Funding ended: Apr 14, 2012

Update 14 — 4/17/2012
Update 15 — 4/27/2012
Update 16 — 5/5/2012

I am assuming sometime between 5/2 and 5/5 they paid Jim the Scam for the fucking.

Update 17 — 6/4/2012

The whore skipped their call:

Update 18 — 6/24/2012

The whore changed his number:

Update 19 — 7/6/2012

The whore took the money and ran.

They start realizing they have been had:

Update 20 — 8/10/2012

They beging trying to save face:

Update 21 — 8/17/2012

They're fucked:

Update 22 — 8/24/2012
Update 23 — 8/31/2012

Why nothing but the sound of silencer for those all important first fucking SIX WEEKS after the damn thing is closed?

Shouldn't that have been the busy window when, the fucking the backers are being shown this "legendary" *snicker* dungeon firm up from whatever notes Jim did not give to his former player in another town, somewhere, somewhen, or sometime?

Plus mind you, if the PDF was due out in June, how was this going to happen?

Still I am reading this all wrong and I am the asshole.

Whatever.

IRWS

Quote from: I run with scissors;583224I will admit that my cursing might be a turn off, but to be honest if someone cannot handle it, then that's on them. Life is too short to be indirect. I choose to be direct.


IRWS

Newsflash.  Your use of swearing and other choice of words (whore) doesn't make you direct.  It makes you come off as an immature child with a very limited vocabulary.  I don't have a dog in this race, and don't know you or this Dwimmermount thing.  Oh, I spent several years in the military, so swearing doesn't exactly offend me, so don't think that's the reason why I'm bringing this up.

But seriously, you're not coming off as edgy.  So grow up and have grown up conversations if you want anyone to take you seriously.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;583248Newsflash.  Your use of swearing and other choice of words (whore) doesn't make you direct.  It makes you come off as an immature child with a very limited vocabulary.  I don't have a dog in this race, and don't know you or this Dwimmermount thing.  Oh, I spent several years in the military, so swearing doesn't exactly offend me, so don't think that's the reason why I'm bringing this up.

But seriously, you're not coming off as edgy.  So grow up and have grown up conversations if you want anyone to take you seriously.

*Yawn*

Track my language usage, and you would notice that it has been toned down. Still, whatever, I am what I am, and I will post the way I want too. Do I care what others think? H e double hockeysticks no. Good gosh if language makes someone not want to read what I want, holy socks, I don't think I could live.

IRWS

Quote from: I run with scissors;583251Do I care what others think? H e double hockeysticks no.
IRWS

Apparently you do.  Otherwise I can't see why you're so adamant about this whole thing.  If you didn't care what people thought, why are you trying so hard to change their opinions or "alert" them of wrongdoing?

All I'm saying is that any point you may have had is lost because as an outsider, my impression of you is one of an immature child who uses potty words to sound tough.  You very well could have a valid point and concern, but it's lost in the vitriol.  I don't think I'm the only one with this impression either.

I have to ditto Sacrosanct.  And, I really don't care either....

Quote from: I run with scissors;583224I will admit that my cursing might be a turn off, but to be honest if someone cannot handle it, then that's on them. Life is too short to be indirect. I choose to be direct.

As for Dwimmerdust, I am amazed with how many people either hate it or love it.

IRWS

You seem too dumb to get it.  So I will increase the size of what was said, and try to not surround it with other stuff, so maybe it will get through to you:

It's not curse words, it's not what you're saying. It's more how you're saying it.

I will say it a different way: YOU SUCK AT COMMUNICATING IN A USEFUL TONE.

That's your issue, nobody else's.  You're the one lacking in a basic skill level, not others.  You're the one with a deficiency in doing something essential for the task you've chosen to undertake, not anybody else.  It's not others with a problem understanding you, it's you with a problem communicating.  You're the one who chose to try to communicate something, so you're the one that needs the skill and willingness to use that skill to communicate.  They're just responding to your obvious flaws.

Quote from: I run with scissors;583224I will admit that my cursing might be a turn off, but to be honest if someone cannot handle it, then that's on them. Life is too short to be indirect. I choose to be direct.

As for Dwimmerdust, I am amazed with how many people either hate it or love it.

IRWS

Mistwell's already said it for me, but it's not your fucking language, get it?  The reason I called you a troll is that your tactics are straight outta Trolling 101.

You've already posted elsewhere that you got your refund.  Yet you still continue braying like you were the second coming of Ghost Whistler.

You keep making the same timeline post over and over.  You dug up political and religious posts from James M's old blog (which was entertaining, don't get me wrong) to support your point.  You dug up posts about procrastination from an old livejournal to make your point.  You refuse to admit that you might have been wrong in any aspect or acknowledge those who are not 100% in step with you.  Etc.

You've raised a very valid issue re: Autarch's failure to adhere to an advertised timeline and James' failure to own up to his inability to turn in a completed manuscript describing empty rooms.  But the way in which you do it - language aside - is trollful.  Thus, you are a troll.

Quote from: Mistwell;583270You seem too dumb to get it.  So I will increase the size of what was said, and try to not surround it with other stuff, so maybe it will get through to you:

It's not curse words, it's not what you're saying. It's more how you're saying it.

I will say it a different way: YOU SUCK AT COMMUNICATING IN A USEFUL TONE.

That's your issue, nobody else's.  You're the one lacking in a basic skill level, not others.  You're the one with a deficiency in doing something essential for the task you've chosen to undertake, not anybody else.  It's not others with a problem understanding you, it's you with a problem communicating.  You're the one who chose to try to communicate something, so you're the one that needs the skill and willingness to use that skill to communicate.  They're just responding to your obvious flaws.

My what a condescending ass you are.

Wait a minute let me make it even more patronizing sounding for you:

My what a condescending ass you are.

I bet you feel better for telling this unskilled, unintelligent troll off. Bully for you. I also find it funny that you choose to attack me, when all my venom was pointed at the one who scammed others. Oh well.

Four Under Cover Kites sailing in the Yellow Ocher Unguents.

Is that any clearer for you?

IRWS

Quote from: KenHR;583279Mistwell's already said it for me, but it's not your fucking language, get it?  The reason I called you a troll is that your tactics are straight outta Trolling 101.

You've already posted elsewhere that you got your refund.  Yet you still continue braying like you were the second coming of Ghost Whistler.

You keep making the same timeline post over and over.  You dug up political and religious posts from James M's old blog (which was entertaining, don't get me wrong) to support your point.  You dug up posts about procrastination from an old livejournal to make your point.  You refuse to admit that you might have been wrong in any aspect or acknowledge those who are not 100% in step with you.  Etc.

You've raised a very valid issue re: Autarch's failure to adhere to an advertised timeline and James' failure to own up to his inability to turn in a completed manuscript describing empty rooms.  But the way in which you do it - language aside - is trollful.  Thus, you are a troll.

Ok, I see your point. Fair enough.

See I can be reasonable.

Oh thank you IRWS! Preach it. What happened to theRPGsite that the people bringing forth truth alongside obscenities are schooled by mods on their language? WHAT THE FUCK? Fuck yourselves and your double standards.

Remember this site is the site of THERPGPUNDIT?!?

The fucking rpgpundit. Blue Rose?

Anyway, IRWS, I sort of think I have seen your writing somewhere else. The dilligence of collecting links is what seperates you from theRPGPundit, and lets you maybe look a little more obsessed. But that is good is in this day and age. Because I told everyone 4 years ago about the Grand Douche in nice journalistic pieces. But then nobody understood who did not already understand. Now it is crystal clear, for everyone to see, the facts cannot be ignored. Although his list of participations is clearly not being adressed enough...

Apart from that:

Why anybody would defend the Grand Douche, the White Wolf fan and writer, who conveniently converted when OSR became fashionable...is beyond me.

Vacous someone said. Yes. Vacous. Pompous to begin with, but Grand Douche says as much.

And you other morons, who do not see that this is not about IRWS hurt feelings re: his money.

He propably signed up BECAUSE he expected things to go awry. But then, Jimmie "Ventrue" Mal could have delivered. But he did not. In a way, IRWS BET REAL money on the gut feeling that J M is a pompous fraudulent (intellectually dishonest of the proven 7th degree, if economically i.e. criminally fraudulent, we will see soon) piece of OSR tainting aggrandiosity!

And JM was not able to convince us otherwise